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Bex1p

Ok thank you for that, I can see how that would make sense for that vider, however there are other videos i have seen where the second body is of a different size and not parallel with the sun, could a mirage also explain that?

Conquistador

I am pretty sure.  While there are times where if you see a double sun or moon, it may mean there are two objects, but almost everytime it will be a mirage of sorts.  Now an exception to that would be if you have a supernova or an incoming comet which could appear to be another object besides the sun or moon.  But for it to be another body like a star or planet, it would have to be extremely close to reflect that much light and be visible in daylight.  In the case of Nibiru, everything I have ever heard on it is that it barely emits any radiation, so it would have to be on top of us to see it.  So while it is really cool, I would not make too much of that.

Bex1p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJkurPs9smA&feature=player_embedded#at=55

Ok conquistador thank you, I didnt think this was nibiru as it is not due yet and im sure that when it arrives there will be much more fuss, very interesting though, wish i had seen it with m own eyes.

Having read what you said and looking at a couple more vids you can pretty much tell that it is a mirage in some cases, however there are a couple i found that show the second body with infra red, surely a mirage would not show up in infra red.

Bex1p

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Not the best one ive seen but the negatives seem to show a much smaller body in front of the sun, im trying to find the one where the second body was far removed from the sun.

planeden

where would a body have to be in relation to the sun in order to reflect sunlight back at us like it did in the chinese footage (post #300)?  wouldn't it have to be on the other side of the sun and be very much larger than the sun in order to appear of a similar size? 

planeden
Bex1p wrote:

Not the best one ive seen but the negatives seem to show a much smaller body in front of the sun, im trying to find the one where the second body was far removed from the sun.


i think in that case the smaller body is the light source and the large body is the reflection of the light on the clouds.  it is really quite beautiful, though.  i don't think i have ever seen one so bright. 

planeden
Bex1p wrote:
Ok conquistador thank you, I didnt think this was nibiru as it is not due yet and im sure that when it arrives there will be much more fuss, very interesting though, wish i had seen it with m own eyes.

Having read what you said and looking at a couple more vids you can pretty much tell that it is a mirage in some cases, however there are a couple i found that show the second body with infra red, surely a mirage would not show up in infra red.


not due yet?  the timeline you posted places it inside the orbit of mars right now, right?  or am i reading it completely wrong? 

i don't know much about infrared and lenses or mirages.  so, combining this wealth of knowledge i think the answer is yes.  but i would think that since the mirage is the reflection of light through the atmoshere, then the point of reflection would be warmer than the surrounding atmosphere and show up. 

Bex1p

All interesting points, thanks, I think the jury is still out on this one though.

Bex1p
Conquistador wrote:

I am pretty sure.  While there are times where if you see a double sun or moon, it may mean there are two objects, but almost everytime it will be a mirage of sorts.  Now an exception to that would be if you have a supernova or an incoming comet which could appear to be another object besides the sun or moon.  But for it to be another body like a star or planet, it would have to be extremely close to reflect that much light and be visible in daylight.  In the case of Nibiru, everything I have ever heard on it is that it barely emits any radiation, so it would have to be on top of us to see it.  So while it is really cool, I would not make too much of that.


Wasn`t it jupiter you said emits more energy than it gets from the sun? Ive heard this too, why should nibiru be an exception? Whatever the truth i see ive got some people seriously thinking, it has me doing the same so thanks for the interest and the comments.

planeden
Bex1p wrote:
Conquistador wrote:

I am pretty sure.  While there are times where if you see a double sun or moon, it may mean there are two objects, but almost everytime it will be a mirage of sorts.  Now an exception to that would be if you have a supernova or an incoming comet which could appear to be another object besides the sun or moon.  But for it to be another body like a star or planet, it would have to be extremely close to reflect that much light and be visible in daylight.  In the case of Nibiru, everything I have ever heard on it is that it barely emits any radiation, so it would have to be on top of us to see it.  So while it is really cool, I would not make too much of that.


Wasn`t it jupiter you said emits more energy than it gets from the sun? Ive heard this too, why should nibiru be an exception? Whatever the truth i see ive got some people seriously thinking, it has me doing the same so thanks for the interest and the comments.


perhaps it is like shining a spotlight on a ordinary light bulb.  if the light bulb is off, you can see the light reflecting off of it from the source.  if you switch on the light bulb, it will become slightly brighter, maybe not even noticiably brighter.  the bulb that is on is emiting more energy than the spotlight provides, but it does not make it as bright as the spotlight. 

BJeochkny

A couple of articles for those that have the time :-

http://humansarefree.com/2011/01/correlations-nibiru-nasa-modern-science.html

http://humansarefree.com/2011/01/correlations-nibiru-nasa-modern-science_12.html

 

"The media was quiet on the subject of Planet X for the next few years. Finally, an article by R. Harrington in The Astronomical Journal dated October 1988 supplied the details of continuing mathematical modeling of this planet. The article suggested the mysterious planet was three to four times the size of Earth, and its position was three times further from the Sun than Pluto. Mathematical modeling also suggested that Planet X had an extreme elliptical orbit of 30 degrees. A NASA/ARC press release published in Newsweek on July 13, 1987 disclosed that "an eccentric 10th planet may - or may not - be orbiting the Sun." The article stated that NASA research scientist John Anderson "has a hunch Planet X is out there, though nowhere near the other nine." The article concluded, "if he is right, two of the most intriguing puzzles of space science might be solved: what caused mysterious irregularities in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune during the 19th Century? And what killed off the dinosaurs 26 million years ago."

 

"In an article entitled "A History of Planet X - From the Present Day Search to the Seeding of Life on Earth", Alan Alford writes that the discovery of new planets in the last two hundred years owes more to mathematics than to bigger telescopes. Mathematical irregularities in the orbits of the outer planets, in particular, strange wobbles and gravitational anomalies noted in the orbits of Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, have prompted astronomers over the past hundred years to search for a large planetary body in the outer solar system. Based on mathematical evidence, astronomers have been so sure of the reality of this planet that they named it Planet X. The name stands for the tenth planet, as well as the mathematical symbol for an unknown quantity."

Conquistador
Bex1p wrote:
Conquistador wrote:

I am pretty sure.  While there are times where if you see a double sun or moon, it may mean there are two objects, but almost everytime it will be a mirage of sorts.  Now an exception to that would be if you have a supernova or an incoming comet which could appear to be another object besides the sun or moon.  But for it to be another body like a star or planet, it would have to be extremely close to reflect that much light and be visible in daylight.  In the case of Nibiru, everything I have ever heard on it is that it barely emits any radiation, so it would have to be on top of us to see it.  So while it is really cool, I would not make too much of that.


Wasn`t it jupiter you said emits more energy than it gets from the sun? Ive heard this too, why should nibiru be an exception? Whatever the truth i see ive got some people seriously thinking, it has me doing the same so thanks for the interest and the comments.


Well, Nibiru in the purest sense of the theory is a brown dwarf star or something very similar.  These objects emit energy in the very low visible light wavelengths or in the infrared spectrum.  So unless it gets much closer, we will not be able to see it.  In addition, if it was close enough to be seen in the sky like the Sun, it would always be present, and it could be seen everywhere in the world.  The videos you showed me were only mirages because the effect was not seen everywhere in the world, and it does not happen all day and all night.  So in other words, it cannot be Nibiru.

Conquistador
BJeochkny wrote:

A couple of articles for those that have the time :-

http://humansarefree.com/2011/01/correlations-nibiru-nasa-modern-science.html

http://humansarefree.com/2011/01/correlations-nibiru-nasa-modern-science_12.html

 

"The media was quiet on the subject of Planet X for the next few years. Finally, an article by R. Harrington in The Astronomical Journal dated October 1988 supplied the details of continuing mathematical modeling of this planet. The article suggested the mysterious planet was three to four times the size of Earth, and its position was three times further from the Sun than Pluto. Mathematical modeling also suggested that Planet X had an extreme elliptical orbit of 30 degrees. A NASA/ARC press release published in Newsweek on July 13, 1987 disclosed that "an eccentric 10th planet may - or may not - be orbiting the Sun." The article stated that NASA research scientist John Anderson "has a hunch Planet X is out there, though nowhere near the other nine." The article concluded, "if he is right, two of the most intriguing puzzles of space science might be solved: what caused mysterious irregularities in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune during the 19th Century? And what killed off the dinosaurs 26 million years ago."

 

"In an article entitled "A History of Planet X - From the Present Day Search to the Seeding of Life on Earth", Alan Alford writes that the discovery of new planets in the last two hundred years owes more to mathematics than to bigger telescopes. Mathematical irregularities in the orbits of the outer planets, in particular, strange wobbles and gravitational anomalies noted in the orbits of Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, have prompted astronomers over the past hundred years to search for a large planetary body in the outer solar system. Based on mathematical evidence, astronomers have been so sure of the reality of this planet that they named it Planet X. The name stands for the tenth planet, as well as the mathematical symbol for an unknown quantity."


This is what I was looking for.  All the planets in the Solar System basically have orbits that are relatively flat with the exception of Pluto.  The inner planets are around 0-4 degrees from the Galactic Plane, the outer planets are around 5-8 degrees, and Pluto is something like 17 degrees I believe.  Pluto is an enigma with its strangely bent orbit compared to the other planets.  Theories have been put forward to explain it, such as the theory that it is an object of the Kuiper Belt as the orbits are somewhat similar. 

Interesting fact about Pluto: It has been observed that Pluto's atmosphere is expanding the farther away it travels from the Sun and freezes when it comes closer to the Sun.  Nobody has a clue on how to explain that.

Conquistador

I have heard from NASA astronomers that there is an object in the direction towards the constellation Orion that might just be planet x. 

I remember as a kid I received a magazine from my elementary school which had the main article as Planet X and astronomers thought they had found it.  That is the last time I have heard anything serious about Planet X.

Elona
Bex1p wrote:

What were the sumerians trying to show us here? notice nibiru? or a second sun as some would call it. See how the humans are used as stepping stones as this "god" travels toward the pyramid to be raised up to the heavens.


That is some cool analysing.

I love alternate theories to the 'mainstreem'. Not sure that I belive the things I can't see. But then that may be my downfall.

Bex1p
Conquistador wrote:
Bex1p wrote:
Conquistador wrote:

I am pretty sure.  While there are times where if you see a double sun or moon, it may mean there are two objects, but almost everytime it will be a mirage of sorts.  Now an exception to that would be if you have a supernova or an incoming comet which could appear to be another object besides the sun or moon.  But for it to be another body like a star or planet, it would have to be extremely close to reflect that much light and be visible in daylight.  In the case of Nibiru, everything I have ever heard on it is that it barely emits any radiation, so it would have to be on top of us to see it.  So while it is really cool, I would not make too much of that.


Wasn`t it jupiter you said emits more energy than it gets from the sun? Ive heard this too, why should nibiru be an exception? Whatever the truth i see ive got some people seriously thinking, it has me doing the same so thanks for the interest and the comments.


Well, Nibiru in the purest sense of the theory is a brown dwarf star or something very similar.  These objects emit energy in the very low visible light wavelengths or in the infrared spectrum.  So unless it gets much closer, we will not be able to see it.  In addition, if it was close enough to be seen in the sky like the Sun, it would always be present, and it could be seen everywhere in the world.  The videos you showed me were only mirages because the effect was not seen everywhere in the world, and it does not happen all day and all night.  So in other words, it cannot be Nibiru.


Nibiru being the home planet of the anunnaki cannot be a brown dwarf or any other kind of star, I believe it also to be the source of life on earth,  you must have heard of panspermia, I think life could have been transferred to earth when nibiru collided with tiamat, unless tiamat already had the elements of life, it is also possible that life could have been intentionally seeded here after that.

Bex1p

However i do agree with you about the mirages, I thought the same thing about it not being visible all over the globe, just thought you might be able to satisfy my  curiosity on that one and i think im more or less happy with that, although i am certain nibiru is out there... somewhere.                      

Bex1p
Elona wrote:
Bex1p wrote:

What were the sumerians trying to show us here? notice nibiru? or a second sun as some would call it. See how the humans are used as stepping stones as this "god" travels toward the pyramid to be raised up to the heavens.


That is some cool analysing.

I love alternate theories to the 'mainstreem'. Not sure that I belive the things I can't see. But then that may be my downfall.


Thanks.

Its  never easy to believe in what you cant see and you are wise to not blindly believe what you are told, religion and mainstream"truth" has kept the world blinkered for too long and only for the benefit of the 5% at the top of the pyramid, if the world was truly aware of what is going on surely the huge corporations that are destroying the planet would cease to function, there would be no wars without pawns to blindly go to battle with the belief that they are doing the right thing, or hopes of a "go to heaven free card"

or even just because they feel that is what is expected of them without, questioning anything. World leaders should either go into battle mano e mano or settle disputes by playing chess, however war is the biggest industry there was and religion is the biggest excuse!

goldendog
goldendog wrote:
Bex1p wrote:

When i say south americans i am includin bolivia  , mexico, peru etc as i am talking broadly about the mayans, incans, toltecs, olmecs etc. As for your cats i might as well start calling my tabby a lion. They are a completely different species to the lion found in the zodiac which is what was represented by these people. Also you missed the point which was how did people in central america if you will have knowledge of the sumerian zodiac? It wasnt just leo but every other sign was virtually identical.


Really?

Prove it.

Enough blah blah blah.


Still waiting for proof of the claim for identical zodiacs....

Bex1p

Why am i responsible for finding you proof? i know it to be true, why dont you use your initiative and find it yourself, it ought to be easy enough to find. Im assuming that nothing i say to you will be sufficient but check this out.

When Hernando Cortes "found" central/south america he was welcomed by King Moctezuma and the Aztec people as a returning god. He was presented with an immense golden disc on which was carved the symols of the cyclical ages in which the Aztecs and their predecessors believed. This "proof" was quickly melted down by the spaniards, however numerous replicas have been found carved in stone. The glyphs represented the the cycle of ages of which the present is the fifth, the other four endid in different natural calamity, water, wind, quakes and storms, then wild animals. The first age was the age of the "white haired giants" 2nd was the "golden age, 3rd, the age of the red haired people who who were the first to arrive in the americas via ships and the 4th was the age of the "black haired people" who arrived with the supreme mexican god Quetzalcoatl.

Mayan monuments and tombs were decorated with "sky bands" whose glyphs were found to represent the zodiacal division of the heavens, (first used in Sumer) artifacts found in Mayan ruins and also the Inca capital of Cuzco have been identified as zodiacal calenders. Cuzco itself was a testimonial in stone to the south american familiarity with the 12 house zodic. The unavoidable conclusion is that somehow the zodiacal division was known in the "new world" millenia ago and that the ages were measured in 2160 year units of celestial time.

 

Check these things for yourself golden dog. If this is not proof enough then i fear i am wasting my time, however there is more proof despite the immense amount of structures and artifacts that were destroyed by the spaniards. Even though the similarities here are big news they are relatively minor compared with how the south american people claim their pyramids were built and how their gods arrived. Another big question is where did the mayans go? They just disappeard into thin air as far as history can tell. But first just confirm for yourself that I have just given you proof on the zodiac.