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llama47
RangerAPF04 wrote:
Also we aren’t exactly innocent children or innocent mice,

And I know one way to answer that is to say everyone is born with the original sin, so even of God bombs a children's hospital it's not as bad as you might think. Plus God is good by definition, so it doesn't make sense to wonder if  God is good.

The problem with that is, the entire point of spirituality is that it establishes a framework of good and bad. I think most Christians would argue that if you don't believe in God then you have no moral anchor. There's no reason one thing is good and another is bad, and morals are totally relative... but as I just showed, saying God is good by definition so he can do things we'd normally call bad is also relative morality.

This is part of what makes "why do bad things happen to good people" a difficult question to navigate.

llama47

@therealtechnoblade

It seems like this is an uncomfortable topic for you... a simple solution is to stop reading it and go do something else.

gabegolfer
“Why do bad things happen to good people”
Christ died the most horrendous death and never complained...
The end result of his death was far more perfect then if he had lived... (according to our beliefs)
llama47
gabegolfer wrote:
“Why do bad things happen to good people”
Christ died the most horrendous death and never complained...
The end result of his death was far more perfect then if he had lived... (according to our beliefs)

Oh please, Jesus rose on the 3rd day.

Jesus gave up his weekend for your sins, stop acting like it's such a big deal.

And also it was a freakin' human sacrifice. What kind of volcano-on-an-island God wants a human sacrifice?

So again... if you like to be a Christian, that's fine... just don't think too much about it otherwise you might start questioning things.

gabegolfer
.... much more mature than a Minecraft YouTuber
llama47

I wouldn't know. I've never watched Minecraft on YouTube.

gabegolfer
Technically it was an infinite God sacrifice... not just a human sacrifice
gabegolfer
My Minecraft comment was to “therealtechnoblade “
llama47

Sure sure, but God in heaven couldn't fix it right? It was beyond his power. He had to become a human so that there could be a human sacrifice, because that's how it works, and is definitely not a made up story and for sure really happened.

gabegolfer
God is just, and an infinite offense by man (original sin) demands an infinite retribution by man. Thus an infinite man (a God) could be the only way for just recompense
RangerAPF04
Aha yeah this is chess, people with less than two brain cells typically don’t play it. Well I’m answer to the sacrifice it makes sense to me that there has to be some sort of reparation for evil, and that reparation (or sacrifice) was beyond human ability. C.S Lewis makes the excellent point that God cannot simply break His own laws (thought it might seem to you that He does) and thus if He wishes to do something in His universe he cannot contradict the very core spiritual principles which bind it together. A reparation requires you offering something precious up for the wrongs, but as the wrongs grow greater so must the offering be greater, and as our sin was so great only a perfect sacrifice could cleanse it.
llama47
gabegolfer wrote:
God is just, and an infinite offense by man (original sin) demands an infinite retribution by man. Thus an infinite man (a God) could be the only way for just recompense

In other words God wasn't allowed to break the rules.

But then we have to wonder... who made the rules?

RangerAPF04
Yeah that got a bit long so... the C.S. Lewis point to answer that, God may not simply walk in and break His own laws, this if we wished to save humanity He cannot just wave his hands and have it over with, but must follow the laws he set
RangerAPF04
So... if I make the rules for the game of basketball, then I walk in and play it, but lose... can I suddenly destroy my own rule to twist the outcome? In that case i wouldn’t even be playing basketball
gabegolfer
Justice is not a “rule”
Like gravity, it is more of a natural law
llama47

The whole God can't make new rules thing is pure speculation. Where in the Bible does it say God would do ____ if only he could, but he can't. It's an answer arrived at for the sake of convenience.

The answer boils down to "God works in mysterious ways, so don't try to make sense of it."

gabegolfer
God is unchanging, he does not “come up with new rules” out of nowhere
RangerAPF04
Uh... well unlike many people I don’t think the Bible is everything, I think certain conclusions can be arrived at through logical reasoning. It is the Word of God, yet it is not the entire Word of God
gabegolfer
Agreed, “many other things that are not contained in this book”
gabegolfer
The two sources of revelation are scripture and tradition, so only taking the Bible ignores half of revelation
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