Chess cheats! How do you know you are playing against one?

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LADY-GREY

Doesn't have to be about ratings.  Could be a severe allergy to cheaters.  Like mine Yell.

Busoni
jonnyjupiter wrote:
mq1982 wrote:

This is online chess. Ratings are meaningless. Not just your opponents but yours.  I could name players I've played against know I KNOW have cheated, but why bother?  I feel sorry for these players.  The only ratings that matter are over-the-board.

Some people (including GM's) get around this by playing short games , e.g 2 mins + 1 sec.

Remember, we are on here to have fun not be competitive.  Competitive online players should use FIGS or playchess where computers detect the cheats much better than any other site.


I disagree. Ratings are not meaningless. They do not have a great deal of meaning if you take them out of context but, for comparing players who play on chess.com, they carry quite a lot of meaning. Try challenging one of the top rated players to a game and a player 400 or 500 points below you. The difference in the quality of play will be immediately evident.

Also, you may not be here to be competitive, but a lot of people are. That's the way it is with a site that attracts thousands of people - many will have different priorities to you. All generalisations are dangerous (even this one).


Well put, M. Dumas.

Tiger-13

i reckon chessnetwork is a computer: 3100?????

wth?  too unbelievable to be a human...lol

DavidForthoffer

I have every reason to believe ChessNetwork with his 3100 Quick rating is not a cheater.

I think he went from about 2100 to 3100 by winning 1,000+ games at 1 0 from weak players, gaining 1 point per win, and losing at most 15 points per loss.

I think any strong player can do the same, if they have the discipline to not play other strong players.

When I played all comers at 1 0 or 1 1, my rating ranged between 1900 and 2100. Now that I have started playing only 1500-or-less players at 1 0, my rating has climbed to 2245, with every indication of climbing higher.

Nanner_slug

Im about to whip someone with a 1800+ rating and he has already accused me of cheating.

In reality my rating should be around 1500+ but i lost a bunch of games cause I let them time out and now im 1000+... also hes played a really weak game.... i have no idea how he has gotten to 1800+... i think perhaps hes a cheat.

laconian

I for one don't understand this fascination with cheating. I lose my games fair and square....it's a good way to help me learn. Smile

xMenace
Nanner_slug wrote:

Im about to whip someone with a 1800+ rating and he has already accused me of cheating.

In reality my rating should be around 1500+ but i lost a bunch of games cause I let them time out and now im 1000+... also hes played a really weak game.... i have no idea how he has gotten to 1800+... i think perhaps hes a cheat.


You were playing very mechanical-like moves, but your goose-egg says otherwise Wink

MsCloyescapade

On this site, I have such a hard time switching pieces on the board when my player isn't looking... It's hard to cheat...

MrTomIchiban

its actually quite easy to cheat... just a complete waste of time.  why bother playing if you cant have the satisfaction of winning on your own terms.  or loosing with dignity for that matter.  you can only cheat yourself, the rest of us are developing our game based on how well we play.  

hells_ruler
mq1982 wrote:

Remember, we are on here to have fun not be competitive. 


 If it's just for fun what's the problem let them cheat all they want, just make sure you beat them LOL. Or are you all worried that your ratings will drop or your win % will fall, as long as your true to the game of chess who cares what they do.Just enjoy the experince this great web site gives us.As for me I'm happy just to play chess don't care who or what.

esolom

I would say that as long as someone "cheats" consistently and their rating is acurate to the mechanism that they are using to "cheat" then what does it matter?  You are looking to play someone at that rating anyways.

Now if my wife were cheating and her performance suddenly improved because of it...

infinitum

omg..this must be the hunredth time this topic has come up here.. just give it a rest guys, Eric and his crew are doing their best to throw the culprits out. It is pointless to bicker on and on about why they do it etc etc etc....  

PhilipN

Ratings aren't entirely meaningless on this website because they help people to find opponents whose skill levels are roughly equivalent to their own.  I have to ask, however, whether or not cheating matters because if your opponent is cheating well enough to beat you easily, then he's probably cheating in his other games, and his rating should be enough higher than yours that you know to expect a tough game.  If, on the other hand, his rating is close to yours, then the strength of his moves may be roughly equivalent to yours and you have a good game of chess whether or not he's cheating.  That being said, ratings matter for seeding purposes in tournaments.  For example, I advanced to Rd. 3 of the 1st chess.com tournament as three of my opponents timed out and the fourth opponent and I went 1-1, so we both advance.  Now I have to play a few games while the rest of Rd. 2 is finishing in order to increase my rating (which fell from a slightly timeout-inflated 1590 to 1440 due to a series of two losses) so that I can get a higher seeding in the round 3 pairings.  By the way, I don't think either of my current opponents are cheating, because I don't have inferior positions.  Also, has anyone noticed that computer engines are not as fun to play against as real people, or is it just my personal preference?  I've played against the Chess Titans game that comes with Vista, and it's the only chess-playing program that I've ever actually had fun playing against.  Other than that, they all seem rather boring.

SnowThief
mq1982 wrote:

This is online chess. Ratings are meaningless. Not just your opponents but yours.  I could name players I've played against know I KNOW have cheated, but why bother?  I feel sorry for these players.  The only ratings that matter are over-the-board.

OTB ratings don't matter either.

Maradonna

Send them a paradoxical riddle. Apparently computers hate 'em.

JoshJaySalazar
mq1982 wrote:

This is online chess. Ratings are meaningless. Not just your opponents but yours


Not to mention, who's to say a player's much more intelligent and analytical Calculus Professor doesn't play a game or two under the player's name or something like that? You have to take online ratings with a grain of salt.

JoshJaySalazar
laconian wrote:

I for one don't understand this fascination with cheating. I lose my games fair and square....it's a good way to help me learn.


And that's exactly what it comes down to. I view online chess as a learning community. Personally, I'm not an incredibly strong chess player. However, I pay attention to the moves other players make when they beat me. It's a great way to learn...

Plus, when you're playing agianst live players, you can ask them why they made a certain move after the game is over. Try asking a chess computer to explain its "logic" after the game!

Qbizzle

The first thing I get when playing a cheater is a weird feeling of being completely out of control. Like every chance to initiate some counter-play gets crushed before I even get a chance to perform the first move. Even moves flagged as excellent by the analysis get thwarted by super precise hard to find moves. Some rook move in the background that reveals its power 5 moves later.

Every opponent's move leaves you in a position worse than you were and this starts from opening moves.
Also the execution of the check mate or winning idea is super precise. 
And then you check their history. Going from losing to 800's in rapid to winning from 1700+'s in 3 minute blitz, in about two weeks time.

llama44
samsom wrote:

I believe this topic has been done to death on this site.

Posted in 2008 ladies and gentlemen.

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