Chess.com vs lichess.org

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AunTheKnight
TacticalPrecision wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
TacticalPrecision wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:

Interesting, because most people here have an account on Lichess too. I wonder how people mysteriously play worse on Lichess…

I ask again: Are you saying that Lichess has a tougher player pool? 

No? I just said you can’t really compare them. Saying ‘1900s blunder this, blunder that’ isn’t a good argument because ratings are different. 

I just said that I wasn't talking about strictly numbers. Forget the ratings: Chess.com has more talent. Period. 

Prove it. Remember that most people have accounts on both sites. 

Kowarenai
TacticalPrecision wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
TacticalPrecision wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
TacticalPrecision wrote: Plus, as we've clearly established: It's soft as can be over there. Amateurs with no clue are achieving 2000+ ratings in different categories. I think many people who trumpet Lichess so loudly do so because they like the ego boost a clearly inflated rating brings them. 

So this is the origin of the problem!

I have a nearly 1700 blitz on Lichess. I could easily surpass 2000 classical at this point. If you watch the 2300+ players play blitz on Lichess vs Chess.com - there's no real comparison in the quality of play. Neither with rapid. Chess.com is not a social site - it's the harder player pool. 

Use thine brain, friend. Lichess uses a different rating system. I don’t know what else to say. You can’t compare the two pools because they don’t even use the same rating system…

I'm not talking about numbers. I'm talking about speed and quality of play. You're honestly saying that Lichess has a tougher player pool? 

lichess can even up in the pool in comparison as you climb up, usually we are slightly better but the rating systems when narrowing them down are both very interesting to see

https://chessgoals.com/rating-comparison/

Kowarenai

it looks like blitz ratings on chess.com are typically more "higher" than lichess ones so in the beginning lichess has softer players but then at around 2200 range it starts evening up with slight differences and then chess.com appears to have the higher blitz range in 2500+

Kowarenai
TacticalPrecision wrote:
Kowarenai wrote:
TacticalPrecision wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
TacticalPrecision wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
TacticalPrecision wrote: Plus, as we've clearly established: It's soft as can be over there. Amateurs with no clue are achieving 2000+ ratings in different categories. I think many people who trumpet Lichess so loudly do so because they like the ego boost a clearly inflated rating brings them. 

So this is the origin of the problem!

I have a nearly 1700 blitz on Lichess. I could easily surpass 2000 classical at this point. If you watch the 2300+ players play blitz on Lichess vs Chess.com - there's no real comparison in the quality of play. Neither with rapid. Chess.com is not a social site - it's the harder player pool. 

Use thine brain, friend. Lichess uses a different rating system. I don’t know what else to say. You can’t compare the two pools because they don’t even use the same rating system…

I'm not talking about numbers. I'm talking about speed and quality of play. You're honestly saying that Lichess has a tougher player pool? 

lichess can even up in the pool in comparison as you climb up, usually we are slightly better but the rating systems when narrowing them down are both very interesting to see

https://chessgoals.com/rating-comparison/

Don't get me wrong: I love Lichess. I just think this with a Diamond is better. Considerably so to start out 2022. 

i rather take this as preference, its not showing something as better but a belief

Kowarenai
TacticalPrecision wrote:

Watching games is far better here on Chess.com. I just loaded up a game of 2700+s playing 3+2 here on CC. Engine, multiple lines, chat boxes. Lichess has none of that. Just a board and pieces. 

cause whats the point in chatting? the reason for them not having an engine when spectating a game is that it basically ruins the whole purpose of viewing it. you arent supposed to have a eval bar and instantly say "ah gotcha black is -2 so he will win" that ruins the fun. you dont need lots of chat boxes and lichess has the spectator room which is fine but again there is more to the site itself rather than being "boards and pieces" 

AunTheKnight

I assume you have abandoned your claim. 

Kowarenai
TacticalPrecision wrote:
Kowarenai wrote:
TacticalPrecision wrote:
Kowarenai wrote:
TacticalPrecision wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
TacticalPrecision wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
TacticalPrecision wrote: Plus, as we've clearly established: It's soft as can be over there. Amateurs with no clue are achieving 2000+ ratings in different categories. I think many people who trumpet Lichess so loudly do so because they like the ego boost a clearly inflated rating brings them. 

So this is the origin of the problem!

I have a nearly 1700 blitz on Lichess. I could easily surpass 2000 classical at this point. If you watch the 2300+ players play blitz on Lichess vs Chess.com - there's no real comparison in the quality of play. Neither with rapid. Chess.com is not a social site - it's the harder player pool. 

Use thine brain, friend. Lichess uses a different rating system. I don’t know what else to say. You can’t compare the two pools because they don’t even use the same rating system…

I'm not talking about numbers. I'm talking about speed and quality of play. You're honestly saying that Lichess has a tougher player pool? 

lichess can even up in the pool in comparison as you climb up, usually we are slightly better but the rating systems when narrowing them down are both very interesting to see

https://chessgoals.com/rating-comparison/

Don't get me wrong: I love Lichess. I just think this with a Diamond is better. Considerably so to start out 2022. 

i rather take this as preference, its not showing something as better but a belief

I don't know. You can't even see the opening names. Here on CC you can follow transpositions easily, guess the move, analyze played games, etc. I just think Lichess is a little too bare bones compared. No chatboxes is pretty depressing, to be honest. 

1. lichess profile, click games it shows the opening name 

2. go to analysis and click the little circle option and as you scroll through the first few moves, it scans the position and automatically tells you what opening it is

Kowarenai
TacticalPrecision wrote:
Kowarenai wrote:
TacticalPrecision wrote:

Watching games is far better here on Chess.com. I just loaded up a game of 2700+s playing 3+2 here on CC. Engine, multiple lines, chat boxes. Lichess has none of that. Just a board and pieces. 

cause whats the point in chatting? the reason for them not having an engine when spectating a game is that it basically ruins the whole purpose of viewing it. you arent supposed to have a eval bar and instantly say "ah gotcha black is -2 so he will win" that ruins the fun. you dont need lots of chat boxes and lichess has the spectator room which is fine and again there is more to the site itself rather than being "boards and pieces" you have options

But you even said it yourself: For people looking to seriously improve, CC becomes the better option. 

it becomes the better option due to the aspect that its pool is slightly more competitive and the site itself has a marketing job, lichess doesnt go for any of that. they arent here to promote themselves and automatically say "hey we are free come here everyone so we beat chess.com" thats not what they do. as you saw in the site i posted the strength can equal out and personally both sites are amazing, even many chess.com streamers use to play there

Kowarenai
TacticalPrecision wrote:

That's post game. I'm talking about during the game. Which is a massive difference. 

your missing the point which i stated earlier, it ruins the theme of spectating a game. think about it your in a OTB event and you are witnessing idk a blitz OTB game between two strong players and everyone is around the table. you wont have a engine to tell you what to do, thats what makes spectating fascinating as you just have to actually think and try to imagine what the players themselves are calculating, having a engine just ruins that meaning

Kowarenai

you dont know how it goes or where it will go, it just happens and analysis happens later

AunTheKnight
TacticalPrecision wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:

I assume you have abandoned your claim. 

I can't and you know that lol. 

I sure do. Don’t make unsupported claims. 

Ziryab

How do you measure the toughness of the playing pool?

On Lichess, a larger percentage of members are rated higher than me. That seems tough.

On chessdotcom, the number of members who are rated higher than me is greater. That is also tough.

Which is tougher?

An 1800 player on Lichess is as strong as a 1200 on chessdotcom. Is that the measure employed to assert that chessdotcom is tougher? 

wollyhood
so well said BW. I don't know why I can't quote your comment but i have a fair idea ;)



wollyhood

i mean censorship on its own of any kind mean we need a wide range of options online in the chess world and yeh that goes for every site. transparency on SOME levels is good. like Kowarenai says other sites are providing a different interface / experience.

having immature people who were treated rudely by one or more admins somewhere else in chess land (or, vice versa!) and now can't stop throwing their toys out the cot ... well c.c might feel that they deserve one thread (this one) to make c.c look at it's best but with any censorship it can't be fully - well all sides of the debate can't be fully developed. so it's always going to have an element of backfiring no matter how it is handled by OD mods, fait accompli. so i'm not trying to hassle this stance as such i'm just trying to point out they are guided by strict policy probably based on legal advice.

so i know this is the direction of the contractual law / copyright of intellectual property future but we don't have to roll over and keep everythign so separate and partisan all the time.

nearly all completely partisan black / white opinions in life always seem to end up being wrong sooner rather than later.

Steven-ODonoghue

I much prefer playing on lichess. The interface is less cluttered and looks nicer, and playing feels so much smoother compared to chess.com. My peak bullet rating here is also higher than on lichess - above 2400 lichess ratings are tougher.

My two favourite online tools for studying are the opening explorer on lichess and the "study" feature there. Chess.com does not provide an alternative to these that have the features I need. The only reason I am still on chess.com is because of the forums and puzzle rush, which are two things chess.com does better than lichess imo.

AunTheKnight
TacticalPrecision wrote:

 

The interfacing for both live chess, analysis, and basically everything else is just superior here on Chess.com currently. The visuals are better, it's not as cheap and plastic feeling, and of course the player pool is massively better and more competitive here. I'm *very* happy with my Diamond and sorry for you po' folk who need to rely on Lichess because it's free and has massively inflated carebear ratings. 

 

 

Once again, the rating systems are different. You cannot prove the player pool is ‘massively better’. True, Diamond membership unlocks features Lichess doesn’t have. Interface is a matter of taste. 

wollyhood
TacticalPrecision wrote:

 

The interfacing for both live chess, analysis, and basically everything else is just superior here on Chess.com currently. The visuals are better, it's not as cheap and plastic feeling, and of course the player pool is massively better and more competitive here. I'm *very* happy with my Diamond and sorry for you po' folk who need to rely on Lichess because it's free and has massively inflated carebear ratings. 

 

 

Also I have to tell you, people that love their own posts in the way that YOU do are going to lose a lot of respect. You put a love teddybear on this one? smh in disbelief.

DefenderPug2

I like the teddy bare tbh

DefenderPug2
TacticalPrecision wrote:

I'm going through some of my blitz games here and the premium membership analysis is much better than I thought it was. Time per move, accuracy with each piece, avg dev, etc, one touch to see how a different line plays out, number of book moves, score leaving book, you can save your analysis easily, etc. It's really not that bad. Plus, the information and windows you can pull up for openings is more robust than Lichess and the database seems to have far more games. 

Dang 😰. I wanna eat some of that premium goodness

Ziryab
TacticalPrecision wrote:
wollyhood wrote:
TacticalPrecision wrote:

 

The interfacing for both live chess, analysis, and basically everything else is just superior here on Chess.com currently. The visuals are better, it's not as cheap and plastic feeling, and of course the player pool is massively better and more competitive here. I'm *very* happy with my Diamond and sorry for you po' folk who need to rely on Lichess because it's free and has massively inflated carebear ratings. 

 

 

Also I have to tell you, people that love their own posts in the way that YOU do are going to lose a lot of respect. You put a love teddybear on this one? smh in disbelief.

...You're obviously quite young. It was a joke about how "carebear" Lichess is. As in has softer competition than Chess.com. I certainly didn't put it there because I love my own posts. It's quite telling that this is how you interpreted it, however. And a bit strange. 

 

I cannot laugh as hard as this nonsense provokes. My blood pressure medicine is not a high enough dosage.

Sometimes you hit the mark. Sometimes you shoot in the wrong direction. You are the child in this exchange.