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eryxc · 2019-08-11T12:29:07-07:00

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JustOneUSer

Aug 16, 2019

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#221

Oh sorry being raised as a Christian for 14 years and having a keen interest in theology means I don’t have an inkling what I talking about.

Again, please pm me and tell me where I went wrong because as far as I can see... I represented what I knew to be Christian teachings.

jaredjm

Aug 16, 2019

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#222

USArmyParatrooper wrote:

jaredjm wrote:

USArmyParatrooper wrote:

dbeleiu wrote:

By definition of believe you can choose to believe Spider-Man exists and believe he exists. It’s just that your believe does not make or break his existence

No. I can’t. That’s preposterous. If someone actually believes Spiderman exists the person is checked into a psych ward. They don’t first ascertain if the person is making a personal choice. You can’t “choose“ to believe Spiderman, or leprechauns, etc. exists and actually believe it. You can profess it, but you can’t truly believe it.

@dbeleiu is right

Cool! So you are on record as publicly announcing you can choose to believe that you can fly, and you will ACTUALLY believe it? Bullpoo

Saying you believe something doesn't make you actually believe it; you could be lying, or something; just as believing something doesn't make it true.

JustOneUSer

Aug 16, 2019

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#223

But it wasn’t really all the punishment for all sin was it? It’s punishment for the sin of all Christians. The rest of us will still apparently have to go through more pain then anyone on earth has ever experienced.

Why did god need to send someone anyway? He’s all powerful. Why did he need to make the promise? If he wanted Jesus to save all people then that means he forgave all people of there sins, surely? Which he hasn’t if hell still exists.

Again, please PM me as this conversation breaks TOS and I don’t want either of us to get in bother

dbeleiu

Aug 16, 2019

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#224

Thx

USArmyParatrooper

Aug 16, 2019

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#225

jaredjm wrote:

USArmyParatrooper wrote:

jaredjm wrote:

USArmyParatrooper wrote:

dbeleiu wrote:

By definition of believe you can choose to believe Spider-Man exists and believe he exists. It’s just that your believe does not make or break his existence

No. I can’t. That’s preposterous. If someone actually believes Spiderman exists the person is checked into a psych ward. They don’t first ascertain if the person is making a personal choice. You can’t “choose“ to believe Spiderman, or leprechauns, etc. exists and actually believe it. You can profess it, but you can’t truly believe it.

@dbeleiu is right

Cool! So you are on record as publicly announcing you can choose to believe that you can fly, and you will ACTUALLY believe it? Bullpoo

Saying you believe something doesn't make you actually believe it; you could be lying, or something; just as believing something doesn't make it true.

Right, so saying you believe something is a choice, but actually believing something is not a choice. So why doesn’t God convince us here

gingerninja2003

Aug 16, 2019

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#226

jaredjm wrote:

gingerninja2003 wrote:

dbeleiu wrote:

Because God can’t just forget sin without it being punished @ ginger ninja

He has punished Adam and Eve for doing something incredibly minor. Why do the rest of us deserve to be punished because of something they have done.

1. What Adam and Eve did was NOT incredibly minor. They directly defied God's express command.

2. Everybody else in the world has also sinned, meriting God's wrath.

It was minor, god said to them "don't eat fruit from a tree" they ate fruit from a tree. If a child is told don't eat sweets, and they then eat sweets that makes the child cheeky, not evil.

Yes the vast majority of people would've done something morally dubious but nothing evil and yet terrible things are allowed to happen to them.

What about babies that die in childbirth, they've done nothing wrong and have had something bad happen to them.

dbeleiu

Aug 16, 2019

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#227

@ ginger ninja
Who says God messes with her head. God just removes those sorrows she can still remember the events but they are no longer traumatic compared to everything she now knows

jaredjm

Aug 16, 2019

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#228

USArmyParatrooper wrote:

jaredjm wrote:

USArmyParatrooper wrote:

jaredjm wrote:

USArmyParatrooper wrote:

dbeleiu wrote:

By definition of believe you can choose to believe Spider-Man exists and believe he exists. It’s just that your believe does not make or break his existence

No. I can’t. That’s preposterous. If someone actually believes Spiderman exists the person is checked into a psych ward. They don’t first ascertain if the person is making a personal choice. You can’t “choose“ to believe Spiderman, or leprechauns, etc. exists and actually believe it. You can profess it, but you can’t truly believe it.

@dbeleiu is right

Cool! So you are on record as publicly announcing you can choose to believe that you can fly, and you will ACTUALLY believe it? Bullpoo

Saying you believe something doesn't make you actually believe it; you could be lying, or something; just as believing something doesn't make it true.

Right, so saying you believe something is a choice, but actually believing something is not a choice. So why doesn’t God convince us here

because it brings Him more glory if we are convinced and believe in Him. The only reason God created us was to bring Himself glory.

dbeleiu

Aug 16, 2019

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#229

that makes the child disobedient. And what Adam and Eve did was not minor. They brought all disease sorrow and sin into the world. Is that really minor?

USArmyParatrooper

Aug 16, 2019

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#230

jaredjm wrote:

USArmyParatrooper wrote:

jaredjm wrote:

USArmyParatrooper wrote:

jaredjm wrote:

USArmyParatrooper wrote:

dbeleiu wrote:

By definition of believe you can choose to believe Spider-Man exists and believe he exists. It’s just that your believe does not make or break his existence

No. I can’t. That’s preposterous. If someone actually believes Spiderman exists the person is checked into a psych ward. They don’t first ascertain if the person is making a personal choice. You can’t “choose“ to believe Spiderman, or leprechauns, etc. exists and actually believe it. You can profess it, but you can’t truly believe it.

@dbeleiu is right

Cool! So you are on record as publicly announcing you can choose to believe that you can fly, and you will ACTUALLY believe it? Bullpoo

Saying you believe something doesn't make you actually believe it; you could be lying, or something; just as believing something doesn't make it true.

Right, so saying you believe something is a choice, but actually believing something is not a choice. So why doesn’t God convince us here

because it brings Him more glory if we are convinced and believe in Him. The only reason God created us was to bring Himself glory.

Great. Then WHY DOESN'T HE CONVINCE ME?

gingerninja2003

Aug 16, 2019

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#231

dbeleiu wrote:

@ ginger ninja
Who says God messes with her head. God just removes those sorrows she can still remember the events but they are no longer traumatic compared to everything she now knows

In order to make her no longer traumatized, god has to change something in her brain to make her not traumatized. Which is breaking his rules on free will.

jaredjm

Aug 16, 2019

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#232

USArmyParatrooper wrote:

jaredjm wrote:

USArmyParatrooper wrote:

jaredjm wrote:

USArmyParatrooper wrote:

jaredjm wrote:

USArmyParatrooper wrote:

dbeleiu wrote:

By definition of believe you can choose to believe Spider-Man exists and believe he exists. It’s just that your believe does not make or break his existence

No. I can’t. That’s preposterous. If someone actually believes Spiderman exists the person is checked into a psych ward. They don’t first ascertain if the person is making a personal choice. You can’t “choose“ to believe Spiderman, or leprechauns, etc. exists and actually believe it. You can profess it, but you can’t truly believe it.

@dbeleiu is right

Cool! So you are on record as publicly announcing you can choose to believe that you can fly, and you will ACTUALLY believe it? Bullpoo

Saying you believe something doesn't make you actually believe it; you could be lying, or something; just as believing something doesn't make it true.

Right, so saying you believe something is a choice, but actually believing something is not a choice. So why doesn’t God convince us here

because it brings Him more glory if we are convinced and believe in Him. The only reason God created us was to bring Himself glory.

Great. Then WHY DOESN'T HE CONVINCE ME?

If you did, you wouldn't be believing yourself, you'd be altered by God Himself, which would be pointless.

gingerninja2003

Aug 16, 2019

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#233

dbeleiu wrote:

that makes the child disobedient. And what Adam and Eve did was not minor. They brought all disease sorrow and sin into the world. Is that really minor?

How did they know that would happen. They were conned by a talking snake (which is perfectly normal). Does that mean everyone who has been conned has committed a nasty offense. That's a lot of old ladies going to hell.

jaredjm

Aug 16, 2019

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#234

gingerninja2003 wrote:

dbeleiu wrote:

that makes the child disobedient. And what Adam and Eve did was not minor. They brought all disease sorrow and sin into the world. Is that really minor?

How did they know that would happen. They were conned by a talking snake (which is perfectly normal). Does that mean everyone who has been conned has committed a nasty offense. That's a lot of old ladies going to hell.

Even though they were tempted by Satan, they still performed the act themselves.....

JustOneUSer

Aug 16, 2019

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#235

Hey Jaredjm, do you mind if I DM you about comment 343 and other comments?

jaredjm

Aug 16, 2019

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#236

nah

gingerninja2003

Aug 16, 2019

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#237

jaredjm wrote:

gingerninja2003 wrote:

dbeleiu wrote:

that makes the child disobedient. And what Adam and Eve did was not minor. They brought all disease sorrow and sin into the world. Is that really minor?

How did they know that would happen. They were conned by a talking snake (which is perfectly normal). Does that mean everyone who has been conned has committed a nasty offense. That's a lot of old ladies going to hell.

Even though they were tempted by Satan, they still performed the act themselves.....

But as far as they were concerned they weren't doing anything wrong as they were convinced that they weren't by a third party.

By the way, they ate fruit from a tree for gods sake. That is not crime of the century.

jaredjm

Aug 16, 2019

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#238

gingerninja2003 wrote:

jaredjm wrote:

gingerninja2003 wrote:

dbeleiu wrote:

that makes the child disobedient. And what Adam and Eve did was not minor. They brought all disease sorrow and sin into the world. Is that really minor?

How did they know that would happen. They were conned by a talking snake (which is perfectly normal). Does that mean everyone who has been conned has committed a nasty offense. That's a lot of old ladies going to hell.

Even though they were tempted by Satan, they still performed the act themselves.....

But as far as they were concerned they weren't doing anything wrong as they were convinced that they weren't by a third party.

By the way, they ate fruit from a tree for gods sake. That is not crime of the century.

They knew it was wrong. God had told them it was. And when God came into the garden, they hid. They knew they were guilty.

gingerninja2003

Aug 16, 2019

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#239

jaredjm wrote:

gingerninja2003 wrote:

jaredjm wrote:

gingerninja2003 wrote:

dbeleiu wrote:

that makes the child disobedient. And what Adam and Eve did was not minor. They brought all disease sorrow and sin into the world. Is that really minor?

How did they know that would happen. They were conned by a talking snake (which is perfectly normal). Does that mean everyone who has been conned has committed a nasty offense. That's a lot of old ladies going to hell.

Even though they were tempted by Satan, they still performed the act themselves.....

But as far as they were concerned they weren't doing anything wrong as they were convinced that they weren't by a third party.

By the way, they ate fruit from a tree for gods sake. That is not crime of the century.

They knew it was wrong. God had told them it was. And when God came into the garden, they hid. They knew they were guilty.

It is a disproportionate punishment but what you've said shows they were skeptical of gods power. Why hide if they know god is omnipresent.

If a child eats sweets they're not supposed to, and then they hide, it doesn't mean they are evil.

JustOneUSer

Aug 16, 2019

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#240

Especially if they were convinced to do so by an evil super genius.

Also didn’t god know all this tempting was happening to Adam and Eve- and he knew what the outcome would be- yet he just... did nothing and then punished us all for eternity because of it?