Can we PLEASE do this by RESPECTING each other’s viewpoints and grow in understanding that’s best for everyone?
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TheBestBeer_Root wrote:
Can we PLEASE do this by RESPECTING each other’s viewpoints and grow in understanding that’s best for everyone?
I do not respect the view point of someone who thinks there is a situation where sacrificing children is ok.
gingerninja2003 wrote:
TheBestBeer_Root wrote:
Can we PLEASE do this by RESPECTING each other’s viewpoints and grow in understanding that’s best for everyone?
I do not respect the view point of someone who thinks there is a situation where sacrificing children is ok.
Good. I don't either!
@ gingerninja2003
I fully agree with sacrificing children is completely wrong, and if you would please read my above #575 post you’d see it’s reason.
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The_Werewolf_3125 wrote:
gingerninja2003 wrote:
TheBestBeer_Root wrote:
Can we PLEASE do this by RESPECTING each other’s viewpoints and grow in understanding that’s best for everyone?
I do not respect the view point of someone who thinks there is a situation where sacrificing children is ok.
Good. I don't either!
So you must think Abraham is immoral, as he thought there was.
And so does god because he rewarded someone with that mind set.
gingerninja2003 wrote:
Just removed this bit as it's taking up room
God values people's trust. As you know, God never intended for the sacrifice to happen. God even sent an angel to tell Abraham NOT to kill his son! I don't think the idea of NOT sacrificing children can get much clearer than that.
As far as Abraham was concerned He was going to kill his son to please god. This means that God is happy about the fact Abraham's mind went god being pleased > his sons life.
And what's wrong with putting the GOD WHO MADE THE UNIVERSE AND EVERYTHING IN IT first?
Because Abraham's job as a father is protect and love his son, not doing so makes him a crap father. He was going to kill his son. There is never a situation where intending to kill children is moral.
Red herring. The argument was not about whether Abraham was a good dad. The argument was about whether God condones child sacrifice.
Would PLEASE both of you read my post #575?
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The_Werewolf_3125 wrote:
gingerninja2003 wrote:
Just removed this bit as it's taking up room
God values people's trust. As you know, God never intended for the sacrifice to happen. God even sent an angel to tell Abraham NOT to kill his son! I don't think the idea of NOT sacrificing children can get much clearer than that.
As far as Abraham was concerned He was going to kill his son to please god. This means that God is happy about the fact Abraham's mind went god being pleased > his sons life.
And what's wrong with putting the GOD WHO MADE THE UNIVERSE AND EVERYTHING IN IT first?
Because Abraham's job as a father is protect and love his son, not doing so makes him a crap father. He was going to kill his son. There is never a situation where intending to kill children is moral.
Red herring. The argument was not about whether Abraham was a good dad. The argument was about whether God condones child sacrifice.
Why would god reward someone who's a very bad father.
gingerninja2003 wrote:
The_Werewolf_3125 wrote:
gingerninja2003 wrote:
TheBestBeer_Root wrote:
Can we PLEASE do this by RESPECTING each other’s viewpoints and grow in understanding that’s best for everyone?
I do not respect the view point of someone who thinks there is a situation where sacrificing children is ok.
Good. I don't either!
So you must think Abraham is immoral, as he thought there was.
And so does god because he rewarded someone with that mind set.
Abraham, just like you, knew that murder is wrong. But, if God said to kill someone, then he would do it. He showed how much he trusted God - and how much you don't.
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#411
Also as to god saying children sacrifice is ok. God helped Jephthah after he said he would offer god a sacrifice Judges 11 31-32
gingerninja2003 wrote:
The_Werewolf_3125 wrote:
gingerninja2003 wrote:
Just removed this bit as it's taking up room
God values people's trust. As you know, God never intended for the sacrifice to happen. God even sent an angel to tell Abraham NOT to kill his son! I don't think the idea of NOT sacrificing children can get much clearer than that.
As far as Abraham was concerned He was going to kill his son to please god. This means that God is happy about the fact Abraham's mind went god being pleased > his sons life.
And what's wrong with putting the GOD WHO MADE THE UNIVERSE AND EVERYTHING IN IT first?
Because Abraham's job as a father is protect and love his son, not doing so makes him a crap father. He was going to kill his son. There is never a situation where intending to kill children is moral.
Red herring. The argument was not about whether Abraham was a good dad. The argument was about whether God condones child sacrifice.
Why would god reward someone who's a very bad father.
Again, red herring. This is not what the argument is about. Please stay on topic.
How can something be a sin against God if God said to do it?
gingerninja2003 wrote:
The_Werewolf_3125 wrote:
gingerninja2003 wrote:
Just removed this bit as it's taking up room
God values people's trust. As you know, God never intended for the sacrifice to happen. God even sent an angel to tell Abraham NOT to kill his son! I don't think the idea of NOT sacrificing children can get much clearer than that.
As far as Abraham was concerned He was going to kill his son to please god. This means that God is happy about the fact Abraham's mind went god being pleased > his sons life.
And what's wrong with putting the GOD WHO MADE THE UNIVERSE AND EVERYTHING IN IT first?
Because Abraham's job as a father is protect and love his son, not doing so makes him a crap father. He was going to kill his son. There is never a situation where intending to kill children is moral.
Red herring. The argument was not about whether Abraham was a good dad. The argument was about whether God condones child sacrifice.
Why would god reward someone who's a very bad father.
Would PLEASE both of you read my post #575?
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The_Werewolf_3125 wrote:
gingerninja2003 wrote:
The_Werewolf_3125 wrote:
gingerninja2003 wrote:
TheBestBeer_Root wrote:
Can we PLEASE do this by RESPECTING each other’s viewpoints and grow in understanding that’s best for everyone?
I do not respect the view point of someone who thinks there is a situation where sacrificing children is ok.
Good. I don't either!
So you must think Abraham is immoral, as he thought there was.
And so does god because he rewarded someone with that mind set.
Abraham, just like you, knew that murder is wrong. But, if God said to kill someone, then he would do it. He showed how much he trusted God - and how much you don't.
No, it shows Abraham is insane, if god didn't intervene, Abraham would've killed his son. If Abraham knew murder was wrong, he would've told god to **** himself.
jaredjm wrote:
How can something be a sin against God if God said to do it?
A good point. Especially if it is a test, and God does not actually want you to to do it.
The_Werewolf_3125 wrote:
jaredjm wrote:
How can something be a sin against God if God said to do it?
A good point. Especially if it is a test, and God does not actually want you to to do it.
what about when god does it himself?
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If god said so is a justification for anything then every single evil can be moral if god orders it.
gingerninja2003 wrote:
The_Werewolf_3125 wrote:
gingerninja2003 wrote:
The_Werewolf_3125 wrote:
gingerninja2003 wrote:
TheBestBeer_Root wrote:
Can we PLEASE do this by RESPECTING each other’s viewpoints and grow in understanding that’s best for everyone?
I do not respect the view point of someone who thinks there is a situation where sacrificing children is ok.
Good. I don't either!
So you must think Abraham is immoral, as he thought there was.
And so does god because he rewarded someone with that mind set.
Abraham, just like you, knew that murder is wrong. But, if God said to kill someone, then he would do it. He showed how much he trusted God - and how much you don't.
No, it shows Abraham is insane, if god didn't intervene, Abraham would've killed his son. If Abraham knew murder was wrong, he would've told god to **** himself.
Abraham was only in the situation because of God. If God had not said "sacrifice your son to me", then Abraham would not have done it. God set up the position and asked Abraham to trust him. Abraham did trust God, and God kept him from committing murder.
God values people's trust. As you know, God never intended for the sacrifice to happen. God even sent an angel to tell Abraham NOT to kill his son! I don't think the idea of NOT sacrificing children can get much clearer than that.
As far as Abraham was concerned He was going to kill his son to please god. This means that God is happy about the fact Abraham's mind went god being pleased > his sons life.
And what's wrong with putting the GOD WHO MADE THE UNIVERSE AND EVERYTHING IN IT first?
Because Abraham's job as a father is protect and love his son, not doing so makes him a crap father. He was going to kill his son. There is never a situation where intending to kill children is moral.