Covid-19 Discussion (moderated)

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llama44

You know... we make devils out of people like John Wayne Gacy and Jeffrey Dahmer. Are they contemptible POS? Of course. But lets not forget to look at the numbers. They kill people on the order of dozens while politicians and people like Kenneth Copeland kill people on the order of millions or billions.

Courts can't deal with people like Copeland or Trump because it's too broad. To sentence them to death would be to sentence of all of humanity to death. So we focus on comparably petty offenders like serial killer cannibals.

DiogenesDue
llama44 wrote:
btickler wrote:

And to anyone foolish and idealistic enough to believe in the unique intelligence of humans, I present to you this man, and his many followers.

He is not an aberration, he is us. We are him. This is what humanity is at its core. Grotesque and stupid.

Yes to all that, and it's tragic...but it's a sunk cost in the sense that he was already this way before the outbreak ever came along, so I'm going to choose to focus on the humor and absurdity instead wink.png.  Thus the Monty Python lead-in...

llama44
btickler wrote:

I'm going to choose to focus on the humor and absurdity instead

I suppose there's not much else we can do happy.png

Khannate1

Marie-AnneLiz
Itude a écrit :

Yes the tests are as yet not consistent.

Some will prove effective, others not

It depend a lot on the sample;the nurses are not all great at going deep enough in the nose.

Quasimorphy
btickler wrote:

Most televangelists have an appearance that might draw people in, but Copeland has always looked flat out scary to me.  

SoupTime4

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-postal-could-shut-down-082346666.html

U.S. Postal Service could shut down by June, lawmakers warn

Quasimorphy

IHME has updated their modeling.  Big changes for the individual states and for the country overall. They've lowered their projected total deaths putting that number below 82,000 now.  They've raised their number for deaths on the peak day by about 500, so it's not all good news, but i'd say things are looking better.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

Quasimorphy
Itude wrote:

Any such prediction is also based on non mutation.

That is not a given !

This may be the only time i ever link to a CNN article.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/07/health/coronavirus-mutations-analysis/index.html

Khannate1

i wonder how many policies and practices that have made a bad situation worse will post this pandemic be repealed or changed 

instantly i think about the modern hatred of migrants , this has seen health services see essential staff leave the country . that was us lot shooting ourselves in the foot by pandering to right wing rhetoric 

then there is the need to address the serious near decade long cuts inflicted on healthcare that has seen the health service nearly on its deathbed and struggling to cope , that needs changing to its opposite a properly funded healthcare system 

then there is income in a time of no work and the idea of introducing universal basic income to address this ,a trend that with automisation of the workplace will increase as an issue post pandemic 

lastly i see how homeless are being housed to allow them to self isolate too , so yes we can end homelessness and i hope this isnt a problem now weve solved it post pandemic

Quasimorphy
Itude wrote:

Exactly how many "non neutral or even harmful " mutations do you think it needs for it to be a massive problem ?

You sound like you know. How many?

Quasimorphy
Itude wrote:

My question...to you, was " Exactly how many "non neutral or even harmful " mutations do you think it needs for it to be a massive problem ?

It is not answered by asking me a question.

I have no idea.  That's why I have to take the word of people like the authors of the CNN article I linked to.  The don't sound worried about it.

Okay. I answered your question. Now answer mine. How many?

RonaldJosephCote

   It only has to mutate once to create a brand new paradign. A tiger at the N.Y. Bronx zoo has tested positive for the virus. At 1st I thought well that makes sense. It originated in bats and it went to another animal. But the officials think the tiger got it from human handlers. 

Quasimorphy
RonaldJosephCote wrote:

   It only has to mutate once to create a brand new paradign. 

Theoretically possible maybe but very unlikely.

 

From the article:

"Viral traits such as infectiousness and disease severity are controlled by multiple genes, and each of those genes may affect the virus' ability to spread in multiple ways. For example, a virus that causes severe symptoms may be less likely to be transmitted if infected people are sick enough to stay in bed. As such, these traits are like blocks in a Rubik's cube; a change in one characteristic will change another. The chances of a virus navigating these complex series of trade-offs to become more severe during the short timescale of an outbreak are extremely low."

 

Marie-AnneLiz

Admiral Defends Government Sending Medical Supplies To The Private Sector .

Rear Adm. John Polowczyk defended the federal government's decision to send medical supplies needed in coronavirus relief efforts to the private sector, saying they were "not here to disrupt a supply chain." NBC's Kristen Welker has details.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7LKcwNT9-U

DiogenesDue

Re: the private sector and supplies

I know a lot of people are talking about how China bought millions of dollars worth of medical supplies and ventilators when the outbreak first happened, and it strikes me as amusing to see people who were brought up to hate communism in general and/or China in particular, but who are also staunch unregulated free market capitalists reconcile the fact that they believe in a completely free market economy.  Can't have your cake and eat it, too. 

Either China should have been able to buy medical supplies at market-bearing prices for an outbreak that was only in their own country at the time, or the government should regulate the free markets to make sure a scenario just like this doesn't evolve wink.png.  It's one or the other.  It's pointless to say now that China bought up and hoarded or outright stole supplies.  They had an outbreak and they took measures, as any country would obviously do.

Same phenom with France now claiming the US "stole" their 3M mask shipment.  France was buying a massive number of masks "pay on delivery".  They wanted to see the masks and retain their right to refuse them and pay nothing.  Somebody else was willing to pay the same or more money and not tie up the mask inventory for weeks for the round-trip with no guarantee of even making a sale.  The masks were never delivered, so no payments were made, so nothing was stolen...right?  Unregulated free market capitalism.  You decide wink.png.

DiogenesDue

British PM Boris Johnson in ICU...

https://news.yahoo.com/boris-johnson-intensive-care-coronavirus-191940523.html

SoupTime4

I just inventoried 682 HP Monitors made in China. 

The manufacturing date is Oct 2019, but i washed my hands anyway.

Marie-AnneLiz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVcJsr7jR-c

What Boris Johnson's move into intensive care means

DiogenesDue

So, it's taken such a long time to educate people even as little as people seem to know now about the outbreak. etc.  Now, we've got 5G wireless rumors and infected tigers...it's going to open the floodgates for a whole new round of BS that has to be combated and refuted.  

Yep, I know that the tiger thing might be true.  I'll wait a few days on that one wink.png.  Possible, yes, but unlikely to show up first in tigers and lions at the zoo and not in feline house pets, etc.  So I'll wait for some extra scrutiny on that. 

My point is that for a giant swath of people who already had to be convinced about a bunch of real facts or myths about the virus, this kind of stuff just gets their light bulbs going off again...and then there's a tidal of new rumors and "patterns" being shared around on Social Media.  Not good.  Thanks, Woody Harrelson.

Meanwhile, the top news stories images bar on my home page is a sea of orange, tigers and Trump.  Tomorrow's headline:

Trump Attacked by Covid-19 Tiger Posse after Tweeting Dismissively over Infected 5G Wireless Network, Fends Off Felines with Little Hands and Spray Bottle of Hydroxychloraquine.

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