Covid-19 Discussion (moderated)

You’re fine with independent thought as long as it ends in vaccination 🙄

Its scary how polarized we have become.  Gone are the days of a logical discussion ending in "Lets agree to disagree." If the sides couldn't or wouldn't agree.  Now everything is about hate and or phobia.  And if you dont agree with me and i have no logical argument, then i will scream and yell you down.

I agree. Get vaccinated if you want. But don’t punish those that don’t 

Depends on what you mean by "punish".  Do you have a right to not get the vaccine?  Yes.  But that doesn't give you the right to infect other people.  You cant decide you have a "right" to go visit your grand parents in an old folks home and infect a group of people that are very susceptible to the virus.   Whether anyone agrees with it or not.  Follow your states guidelines.  It comes down to being respectful of others.  No one is infringing on your "rights".

I didnt get the first shot until 2 weeks ago.  But i was always respectful of others.  If i was asked to put a mask on i did. 

We've heard this rhetoric before.  Maybe you're the same poster .  More likely you are reading the same blogs or listening to some lame AM talk radio or podcast...try to get your talking points from a scientific source.

The answer is:

The word "quarantine" comes from "quaranta" meaning "40" and is the period of time that arriving ships had to stay isolated in port in the 1500s with nobody leaving the ship until it was determined that nobody had cholera...*nobody*, meaning that the healthy and infected were all quarantined for the full 40 days.  

So, *by definition for over 500 years*, quarantines are not just for the sick or the healthy.  They are for protecting known safe people from unknown unsafe people.

I don’t care about the stupid masks. I’ll wear a face napkin if I have to. But I should be allowed to go out without being vaccinated.

You can go outside without being vaccinated.  And in some places im sure its also as long as you're wearing a proper mask.  Again, this isnt about your "rights".  Its about keeping everyone safe.  People that are HIV+ have a "right" to continue to have unprotected sex, but that doesnt mean they should.

   THIS should give the un-vaccinated some incentive..lol    If you don't want the vaccine---Fine.  If you get sick....pay the entire hospitalization bill..  2 weeks on a ventilator in the I.C.U......SURE, you've got the money for that...https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/ea2f702e-6717-3aaf-9017-46b5e4031afa/don%E2%80%99t-want-the-covid-19.html   If your rights are being violated then put your money where your mouth is..... don't put MY money where your rights end.                     

Sounds like a plan!

   Long before Covid, all it took was 1 massive medical ordeal to wipe out all of most people's savings & mortgage. I think that became the number 1 reason for personal bankruptcys.

Ron i had a neighbor that went and spent $2000 on a TV.  The next month he got evicted because he hadn't paid his rent for some months.  What goes on in someone thought process, that you know you haven't done what you agreed to do, but instead?  Im gonna spend 2 grand on a TV. 

Its the same with peoples savings.  Very few plan ahead.  Pretty much everyone lives for the moment, with the "I gotta have it now!" mentality.  Insane interest rate?  Who cares!  I gotta have that $1000 phone.

The  level of "me me me" in this country is out of control.  Its staggering that we have people that care more about going to the movies, then keeping people safe. 

That phenom is aimed at the middle class.  Which is funny , because the middle class are the ones fighting against universal healthcare.  In the US, if you are wealthy, you are going to be able to get medical care and pay for it.  If you are penniless, you are going to get medical care anyway, for free.  If you are anything in between, one medical emergency can wipe you out financially.  The silver lining is that now you're penniless for the next medical emergency ...

We're both lucky, in that the VA *is* universal healthcare...for a small segment of the population.

Through the years my medical coverage through work has gone from incredibly affordable to such high deductibles i wont use it unless its a real emergency.  Now i manage my own health through diet, exercise, and educating myself.

You escaped the Wall Street siphoning scam that is 401Ks...

You still have the VA as a backup that allows you to avoid potential ruin, which is my point...the US allows individuals and families to end up on the streets due to medical expenses.

Our medical/healthcare system is not set up to keep people healthy.  Its set up to keep people just sick enough they dont die until they have drained them dry of money.

Just one mans opinion.

I was one to never go for ever ailment.  But i would go if it was necessary.  The last 2 times i went to se my doctor were for plantar fasciitis in my left foot, and a lump in my upper right shoulder. 

For my plantar fasciitis he first reccomended numerous prescriptions for pain, swelling, and inflammation.  Then rehab, and ossible surgery.  I said no, what else ya got?  So then he says i can get some custom made insoles for $400.  I said no, what else ya got?  So he finally says that i can get up each morning, put as much pressure as i can on my foot to break up what is going on in there, but its going to be painful.  So each morning for a week i woke up, dealt with the pain, and it was cured free of charge. 

After a cat scan, the lump in my back turned out to be an injured muscle that healed wrong. 

I get the yearly "fear filled" emails from my doctor about getting a camera shoved up my butt, and other age related things.  They end up in the garbage. 

Like i said.  My health is predicated on diet, exercise, stretching, reading and educating myself, and good ole ketogenic way of eating.  

As Hippocrates said:  "Let food be thy medicine."

I also converted to IRA, but you can't do that until you leave the company in question.  Sometimes you are screwed over before that can happen.

Yeah, you can't roll over until you leave the company now, and you can never roll an IRA back into a 401K.

  I'm posting this for the benefit of anyone who had the Mederna shot.....https://www.yahoo.com/news/moderna-recommends-third-shot-vaccine-142700542.html