https://finance.yahoo.com/news/wont-covid-vaccine-bosses-may-050106083.html
Smokers pay higher premiums so this seems fair.
Covid-19 Discussion (moderated)
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IMBacon wrote:
I just shake my head at how people react to things like this.
You have those that wont get the vaccine because they dont want "big brother" tracking them. But have no problem carrying a cell phone around all the time.
You have those that are/were scared to death, shutdown and quit living.
You have those like me, that took it for what it is. A virus that can be deadly to certain segments of society. I just wanted to do the proper research before getting vaccinated.
I'm not targeting any of this at you, for the record.
Those people that shut down are going to find another reason to shut down anyway. Fear will find a target. Obviously nobody should be so afraid of Covid-19 that they become agoraphobic or something...moderation in all things. But playing around with something that could kill you or give you reduced lung capacity or heart damage for life (which will eventually contribute to someone's early death) is worse...and doing so because you want to prove you are "free" or better/braver/stronger/smarter than some other group of people is juvenile.
I find it funny that so many people in the US are all up in arms like the country has changed for the worse and become more restrictive...read this article, then look at the numbers. The Spanish Flu killed 675,000 people in the US, and over a hundred years later it's largely the same measures (working restrictions, mask mandates) almost the same response and almost the same death toll. So close, in fact, as to be a perfect example of "those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it".
The major difference is that the Spanish Flu killed 50 million people worldwide, and Covid-19 has killed 4 million worldwide...but the US death tolls are almost the same for both...so what does that say about who has not learned from history?
Aug 10, 2021
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btickler wrote:
IMBacon wrote:
I just shake my head at how people react to things like this.
You have those that wont get the vaccine because they dont want "big brother" tracking them. But have no problem carrying a cell phone around all the time.
You have those that are/were scared to death, shutdown and quit living.
You have those like me, that took it for what it is. A virus that can be deadly to certain segments of society. I just wanted to do the proper research before getting vaccinated.
I'm not targeting any of this at you, for the record.
Those people that shut down are going to find another reason to shut down anyway. Fear will find a target. Obviously nobody should be so afraid of Covid-19 that they become agoraphobic or something...moderation in all things. But playing around with something that could kill you or give you reduced lung capacity or heart damage for life (which will eventually contribute to someone's early death) is worse...and doing so because you want to prove you are "free" or better/braver/stronger/smarter than some other group of people is juvenile.
I find it funny that so many people in the US are all up in arms like the country has changed for the worse and become more restrictive...read this article, then look at the numbers. The Spanish Flu killed 675,000 people in the US, and over a hundred years later it's largely the same measures (working restrictions, mask mandates) almost the same response and almost the same death toll. So close, in fact, as to be a perfect example of "those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it".
The major difference is that the Spanish Flu killed 50 million people worldwide, and Covid-19 has killed 4 million worldwide...but the US death tolls are almost the same for both...so what does that say about who has not learned from history?
I never took your post that way. In fact if you did have an issue with anything i posted, I would be ok with that because you come armed with information, and facts. You dont just parrot something you heard your favorite news outlet say. Im not to old to admit i cant learn something new.
I ask people abut these "rights" they say they have lost? The usual answer is that they have to wear a mask somewhere. Completely ignoring that its done with the health and welfare of others in mind, and not your "right" to not wear a mask.
how is this not locked
Aug 10, 2021
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#2706
Because it has remained civil, and the stupidity/ignorance for the most part has been left out.
Gymstar074600 wrote:
how is this not locked
Ironically, this thread has existed a lot longer than your account...
Aug 10, 2021
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btickler wrote:
Gymstar074600 wrote:
how is this not locked
Ironically, this thread has existed a lot longer than your account...
Optimissed wrot
Hello, first visit here. I've read the list of the Blocked btw.
Here in the UK it is our right not to wear a mask in any situation but some private companies are enforcing mask wearing. I question the "science" of mask wearing but do not question that the wearing of masks makes people feel safer. Logically though, in a crowded room without ventilation, wearing a mask cannot make a blind bit of difference, so that probably holds, to some extent, for buses.
I was sceptical from the outset and thought that we should do a two-month lockdown to allow the health services to catch up and that's it. I predicted increases in depression, business failures, mental illness, wife beating (domestic violence), suicides, excess deaths from other causes, extreme economic instability and the probability of a general economic depression, and quite a lot of other things that turned out to be true, and was roundly rubbished for it by some left-leaning know-it-alls on Facebook. I say "left-leaning" not because I want to be political, but because people will understand that I'm talking about those who know what's best for other people and who take a very narrow view.
I think that what people have mainly lost is the ability to be self-reliant and that isn't easily measured so there can be no statistics on it: no studies. Also they have lost the absence of fear.
Masks do the following:
- They prevent droplets from infected people wearing them escaping (primarily) and droplets from hitting the uninfected (secondarily)
- For aerosolized virus, they still mitigate the intake, and the better the mask seal, the less severe the infection when you get Covid-19. The initial viral load you receive makes a difference in how badly you will fare.
- They additionally are a visible indicator of somebody who is probably taking a breadth of precautions vs. someone who just doesn't care.
longer than your account....lol 
Optimissed wrote:
Good responses. Thanks.
Although one might wonder why healthy people take precautions, but that's another matter. I'm interested in what are the death rates from Covid. It seems we can divide patients into categories. For instance:
Generally healthy people.
Younger people, who have not been exposed to a wide range of infections yet, in their lives.
Older people, who may be physically weaker.
Those with health problems such as diabetes and obesity or cancer.
Finally, those apparently healthy people who develop an antibody reaction which potentially might damage a vital organ, such as the heart, lungs, liver, kidneys etc.
To what extent are the healthy people morally responsible for the health of the more vulnerable?
Feed some peanut butter to somebody allergic intentionally and find out . I am guessing you'd be up on charges, the same as if you'd given them cyanide.
They say Read the science (which the fear mongers have not)
1 Masks are largely ineffective (science)
2 People that have had covid have immunity (science)
3 People that have been vaccinated had immunity (then maybe not) (hurd mentality)
Because a lot of people talk about something does not mean anything.
The only people who die from Covid wear Masks
Optimissed wrote:
I thought that perhaps you would be able to maintain the intelligent responses for two consecutive posts. The two aren't comparable because your analogy is deliberate harm and I'm discussing a scenario where harm is caused by inadvertent transmission of a disease, in a situation where we may assume that the only vulnerable groups are the obese with diabetes and those unknown people who have an immune reaction. Unless we're buying wholesale into Covid paranoia and hysteria, we want to get back to normal asap, because we think that things shouldn't go on as they are.
They are directly comparable, Mr. Magoo.
Once you have been told the truth and been shown data and choose to ignore it and not try to follow measures, you are willfully harming those around you from that point forward, just like the peanut butter example...which is why I made it. It's morally equivalent, and if you can't see that, then you are part of the problem. If a quarter of the world refuses to vaccinate and that allows the virus to mutate again, and again, and again, then those people are culpable for all the deaths that ensue. Gross negligence crosses the line at the point of willful ignorance.
ericthatwho wrote:
They say Read the science (which the fear mongers have not)
1 Masks are largely ineffective (science)
2 People that have had covid have immunity (science)
3 People that have been vaccinated had immunity (then maybe not) (hurd mentality)
Because a lot of people talk about something does not mean anything.
The only people who die from Covid wear Masks
Link sources or hit the road. The only people dying of Covid right now in the US are the unvaccinated, by the way.
You are *25 times* more likely to die if unvaccinated. You are also 25 times more likely to be hospitalized if unvaccinated.
Aug 11, 2021
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ericthatwho wrote:
They say Read the science (which the fear mongers have not)
1 Masks are largely ineffective (science)
2 People that have had covid have immunity (science)
3 People that have been vaccinated had immunity (then maybe not) (hurd mentality)
Because a lot of people talk about something does not mean anything.
The only people who die from Covid wear Masks
1. Depends on what you mean by "largely". No scenece is needed to know that the space between the fibers in a mask are mucho larger than the size of the virus itself. So yes masks are not effective to an extent, but they do stop the spit. So yes they are helpful.
2. Just because someone has had covid does not mean they are immune. I know people that have had it twice.
3. I dont think herd mentality would apply to something like this in regard to some segments of society. You certainly dont want to send grandpa to a covid party to gain immunity.
"The only people who die from Covid wear Masks..."
No idea what this is supposed to mean? Are you saying that wearing a mask will infect you with covid and you will die? Now this is the type of ignorance that contributes to the problem.
Aug 11, 2021
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#2717
And this is why we cannot get this under control...
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/philadelphias-covid-restrictions-impact-phillies-145226302.html
"MALANDRA: At the moment, there are no plans to have this for outdoor events, say like the Eagles or Phillies games?
"KENNEY: At the moment - unless, Doc, you want to correct me - at the moment, no.
"BETTIGOLE: At the moment, no."
The Eagles announced after the press conference that, in accordance with the city's new policies and mandates, fans and staff will be required to wear masks when visiting indoor spaces at the Linc, but not when they're sitting or standing in outdoor spaces.
Optimissed wrote:
I want to draw something to your attention. Directly after my post, someone wrote this:
<<ericthatwho wrote:They say Read the science (which the fear mongers have not)
1 Masks are largely ineffective (science) 2 People that have had covid have immunity (science) 3 People that have been vaccinated had immunity (then maybe not) (hurd mentality) Because a lot of people talk about something does not mean anything. The only people who die from Covid wear Masks>>
You seem to have replied quite politely to that and yet you've returned to your trolling ways and made personal attacks because I wrote something your little mind can't handle.
Do not be aggressive and unpleasant. It doesn't help you & it makes you look stupid. You end up only with people you can bully and those who eat out of your hand. And trolls, like you. Trolling your own thread.
Lol...if you think I am being extra nice to @ericthatwho, then you obviously are completely biased in your reading skills. As he himself might tell you, I am not a fan of his. As always, I reply in a civil manner and let the other person dictate any escalation of rhetoric. It was actually you who immediately went to "I thought you could be intelligent"...this is a pattern for you, expressed countless times across dozens of threads over the years.
I called you Mr. Magoo , a pretty apt reference, but not that aggressive. I feel most people would agree. You said I could not post intelligently twice in a row and said my little mind could not handle something. Who's being unpleasant here again?
Feel free to leave, just don't pretend it's for any other reason than your dislike for being shown up. You feel I "attack" you more than you attack, but your are mistaking quality for quantity/degree. My points seem "aggressive" to you because they are on target. Yours...not so much.
I just shake my head at how people react to things like this.
You have those that wont get the vaccine because they dont want "big brother" tracking them. But have no problem carrying a cell phone around all the time.
You have those that are/were scared to death, shutdown and quit living.
You have those like me, that took it for what it is. A virus that can be deadly to certain segments of society. I just wanted to do the proper research before getting vaccinated.