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Since when did a "Discussion" Thread equate to posting incessant numbers of YouTube videos?
Aug 14, 2021
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#2804
Toire wrote:
Since when did a "Discussion" Thread equate to posting incessant numbers of YouTube videos?
It's the sources/evidence... tbh they are only few here and there (2 in this page)...
I am more into articles as they faster to read and traverse though
Aug 14, 2021
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#2805
Toire a écrit :
Since when did a "Discussion" Thread equate to posting incessant numbers of YouTube videos?
Since you need some valuable info that will help you say something meaningful in this thread! Did you expressed something valuable lately?
I will delete all my videos when you will prove to me that you have something better to say!
Btw I only posted 10 videos in the last 8 months..if it bother you maybe it's because you do not like the content so are you really offended or just a troll?
H-i-s-t-o-r-y wrote:
Yes your "in the mind" stuff is definitely silly.>>
But .... it may not be. Don't be too sure. I can back this up with reasoned argument if necessary.
I'm not sure what to think about masks. The data is not as clear to me as it is for the vaccine. The personal freedom aspect of the mask argument is just stupid and selfish. What serious freedom does anyone give up wearing a mask just in case it might actually help? I wear one when mowing grass because of allergies. Makes no difference to me if I also wear one while out to the store. I don't follow sheep but this seems small and possibly helpful at least until people stop dying of this virus>>>>
Being perfectly honest and in no way is this any sort of personal attack, there are several freedoms involved in not wearing a mask and one of them is not being completely stupid. But that's subjective.
Objectively, we can't hear people properly when they wear masks and when we wear them, we can't see properly, which not everyone will have experienced but it applies to many people. Masks are also a reservoir for germs and they stop us from breathing quite as freely so they're unhealthy in that respect. They're extremely uncomfortable and they may lead to skin problems.
Personally I think masks are ridiculous because I don't think they prevent the spread of Covid. Vaccination is far more effective.
There are many people who state "all lives matter" who are perfectly willing to not wear masks and endanger the lives of others.
I think all lives matter and I don't wear a mask. That isn't hypocrisy. It's because Covid hysteria is what it is. It's more damaging than the disease, by far.
H-i-s-t-o-r-y wrote:
Optimissed: I won't pick apart your objections to masks as they are highly subjective. Medical professionals wear them all day long. If those objections were true they would all have issues. They clearly don't.
They are less than comfortable and make a hot day worse but beyond that I personally have no problem wearing one for a few minutes when necessary.
Even if the chance they do some good is small the discomfort is worth it.
My daughter in law is a medical professional and she doesn't wear a mask out of work. My wife is one and she wears a mask only if and when required to by law. And on Thursday last our chess club reopened and I was playing chess with a third medical professional and he wasn't wearing a mask either.
Maybe it's a culture thing. Americans are more conformist than Brits ... that's beyond doubt. Maybe it's just a product of cultural difference. Japanese are known to be highly conformist and they've been wearing masks for years now, if not centuries.
Yes, certainly it seems that way, hilarious or not. Your reaction was predictable, though. I don't think you like people to have opinions on things that don't concern them.
You know what people are like. So conformist that they don't complain, in many cases. Are you saying that masks don't distort and muffle people's voices so that what everyone says is as clear as if they were not wearing a mask? That's the logical extension of your reaction. You must have very good hearing.
Not sure it's about inventing mask issues. Vaccine mandates, on the other hand, and some good news for you : Straight from newly minted Trump nominee SCOTUS justice Amy's ruling . She rejected a legal challenge by students to a vaccine mandate at Indiana University. A first, as CNN reports: https://youtu.be/rBdy9Hhz_Ys
Reading further, they were 8 students arguing they have bodily integrity rights, among other things. See all their arguments for yourself....
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/amy-coney-barrett-supreme-court-indiana-university-vaccine-mandate/
H-i-s-t-o-r-y wrote:
Well if you insist I will pick apart your assertions. I wasn't going to.
1. if surgeons and nurses and others in operating rooms could not see or hear clearly, well, you figure that out.
Easy. They're used to it. They've worn masks all their working lives.
2. That pertains to masks being germ reservoirs as well. Changing/washing them regularly has clearly been recommended.
Yes obviously. People don't, though. Some people have quite disgusting habits. It's also rather expensive to change them all the time. Who's going to pay? So people wear them for a week.
3. I see no evidence of skin problems of any kind among professionals who wear masks all day long. Do you?
Yes.
Feel free to invent any other mask issues and I will be glad to assist in debunking them.
I notice that you didn't comment on the fact that they muffle people's voices. Of course, if you insist that I'm inventing the fact that I can't see while wearing a mask and many others complain of it too, I'd probably have to revert to telling you exactly what you are. After all, your experience being one thing doesn't negate that of others being different, does it? But I'm sure we shan't have to go down that route.
<<My reactions are no more predictable than yours but I do notice you are inclined to look for arguments that no one but yourself has started.>>
Oh dear, I shall have to tell you, after all. You are, without doubt, the biggest hypocrite I've met on Chess.com. Is this a discussion thread? Are discussions allowed in discussion threads? Do you prefer discussions where everyone thinks the same thing, by any chance?
If you don't mind, since you can't argue intelligently, I'll ignore you and all of your comments because your obstinacy and sarcasm, not to mention self-satisfaction, although it probably meets the requirements for this club, irritates me and there's no more point answering you than answering TruthMuse.
Were people in 1918 smarter than us? They saw no problems with masks. Not even smoking, they just poked holes in them masks to smoke
https://www.history.com/news/1918-spanish-flu-mask-wearing-resistance
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
Toire a écrit :
Since when did a "Discussion" Thread equate to posting incessant numbers of YouTube videos?
Since you need some valuable info that will help you say something meaningful in this thread! Did you expressed something valuable lately?
I will delete all my videos when you will prove to me that you have something better to say!
Btw I only posted 10 videos in the last 8 months..if it bother you maybe it's because you do not like the content so are you really offended or just a troll?
With that gibberish, I now know why you prefer to post videos...and note that you solely rely on the opinion of others.
Optimissed,.... here's an example of the nonsense that btickler is trying to keep out of the thread. Where do we get these idiots.?.....
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/oan-interviews-woman-falsely-claiming-205904504.html
Aug 14, 2021
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#2818
That whole magnet thing has been around almost as long as covid. It goes back to "The govt. is tracking you" nonsense.
Optimissed wrote:
After all, in the context you use the word, "informed" clearly means "believe what btickler believes". You just made that clear so in what sense is this a discussion thread?
It doesn't mean that at all...the problem is only one set of people cannot back up anything they are saying 
. Let me explain to you what a discussion is:
- Mature people partake in them.
- When called out on presenting BS, mature people back it up. modify their position, or recant.
- Not all opinions are valid. Some are ridiculous. Those are the ones that cannot be backed up.
- I allow anyone to state their opinions. When they then try to base conclusions, give advice, or prove a point using their personal opinions, that's when I make them back it up. If they cannot, then they need to stop using that opinion as a basis for argument. That is a moderated discussion. This thread is for disseminating and discussing real information, something you seem to always be in short supply of.
- There's not always two valid sides to an issue, either. In the case of Covid, nobody in close to 150 pages has been able to prove out any of the hairbrained conspiracy theories or non-vaccine "cures" that they have posted.
- It's not my fault if you choose to side with the pseudo-science crowd. Present something cogent and back it up with a reliable source...it's not that hard.
- If you go to a city hall meeting and stand up and start spouting your opinion, you will be asked to pony up support for your allegations. If you refuse to, and then stand there spouting the same BS over and over anyway ("The queen wears lederhosen and yodels in the royal garden!"), you will be removed.
Toire wrote:
Since when did a "Discussion" Thread equate to posting incessant numbers of YouTube videos?
I have asked people in the past, including Marie, to try to not just post videos without comment but to offer discussion points as well...it's better that way, but it's certainly not needed 100% of the time. That being said, the videos are all Covid-related and from recognized sources, not some psychologist pretending to be a virologist (for example), and clearly less egregious than the litany of people you will find on the block list.
This is a club for the initiated and not a discussion. On the assumption that it might become a discussion, is it possible that whether or not someone dies from Covid is all in the mind? If that were the case then not masks but physical exercise and meditation would be the answer.
I agree with your first sentence but by now there is nothing to discuss.
The resultant data from a year and half of this is far from precise but there is really only one logical result of summarizing the whole of it. The vaccine works better than not having a vaccine. No matter how you mash the numbers or which source you use, other than ridiculous antivaxxers like Mercola or Kennedy or CHD, the results clearly show a lower fatality rate and a lower overall number of serious cases among people who are vaccinated. Any other suggestion has no basis in fact.
This is a better response than btickler's but really, he's grown very lazy and inaccurate. Your response does beg the question "what if it's all in the mind and being vaccinated produces a more positive, mental attitude? I'm really only being silly but perhaps it's the only recourse in the face of all this self-satisfaction, which is rather nauseating because it seems to assume that we should all wear masks for about the next five years. Even though most people are vaccinated.