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HyperborianAzure
btickler wrote:
Srinibas_Masanta wrote:

"There are a lot of labs that are actively looking to make the Omicron virus and test its antibody sensitivity, and that is going to take a couple of weeks," Moore said.

David Ho, professor of microbiology and immunology at Columbia University in New York, believes Omicron will show a substantial degree of resistance, based on the location of its mutations in the virus's spike protein.

"The vaccine antibodies target three regions on the coronavirus spike, and Omicron has mutations in all three of those regions," Ho said. "We technical experts are much more worried than the public health experts because of what we know from the structural analysis" of Omicron.

Yes, a microbiologist I know is pretty worried about Omicron.  This is why everyone needs to be vaccinated...and if they won't do it voluntarily, it's reaching the point where stronger measures will be needed.  Denying medical claims for unvaccinated people that get Covid or have Covid-related medical problems would be a good start.  Continuing to keep enabling this behavior is like giving a 2nd donated liver to an alcoholic that refuses to stop drinking.

The longer the virus keeps running around, the chances for mutations just keep increasing.  This one hit the Powerball jackpot and got 3 for 3 on mutations.  It should never have had the chance.

MAN you really scaring me off, where are you from? it´s totalitarism what you expressing  

Srinibas_Masanta

Others note that earlier variants, such as Beta, also had mutations that rendered the vaccines less effective, but that those vaccines still helped prevent severe disease and death. Even if neutralizing antibodies induced by vaccines become less effective, other immune system components known as T cells and B cells will likely compensate, they said.

"Vaccination will likely still keep you out of the hospital," said John Wherry, director of the Penn Institute for Immunology in Philadelphia.

The first real-world studies of vaccine effectiveness against Omicron in the community are likely to take at least three to four weeks, as experts study rates of so-called "breakthrough" infections in people who are already inoculated, said Dr Michael Osterholm, an infectious disease expert at the University of Minnesota.

Columbia's David Ho said the fact that Omicron is already spreading in the presence of Delta, "which outcompeted all the other variants, is worrisome."

Srinibas_Masanta

But others insist it is still an open question.

When it comes to the specific mutations that could help Omicron spread, it "doesn't look too much different from Alpha or Delta," said Hotez.

ricorat
btickler wrote:
Srinibas_Masanta wrote:

"There are a lot of labs that are actively looking to make the Omicron virus and test its antibody sensitivity, and that is going to take a couple of weeks," Moore said.

David Ho, professor of microbiology and immunology at Columbia University in New York, believes Omicron will show a substantial degree of resistance, based on the location of its mutations in the virus's spike protein.

"The vaccine antibodies target three regions on the coronavirus spike, and Omicron has mutations in all three of those regions," Ho said. "We technical experts are much more worried than the public health experts because of what we know from the structural analysis" of Omicron.

Yes, a microbiologist I know is pretty worried about Omicron.  This is why everyone needs to be vaccinated...and if they won't do it voluntarily, it's reaching the point where stronger measures will be needed.  Denying medical claims for unvaccinated people that get Covid or have Covid-related medical problems would be a good start.  Continuing to keep enabling this behavior is like giving a 2nd donated liver to an alcoholic that refuses to stop drinking.

The longer the virus keeps running around, the chances for mutations just keep increasing.  This one hit the Powerball jackpot and got 3 for 3 on mutations.  It should never have had the chance.

I feel like that’s taking things to far. People who aren’t getting vaccinated have good reasons and in my opinion, no one should ever be forced to do anything to themselves. That’s just my 2 cents though.

DiogenesDue
Kundaliniriseagain wrote:

MAN you really scaring me off, where are you from? it´s totalitarism what you expressing  

A false equivalency.  It is no more "totalitarism" (ahem) than firemen clearing a burning building would be.

DiogenesDue
ricorat wrote:

I feel like that’s taking things to far. People who aren’t getting vaccinated have good reasons and in my opinion, no one should ever be forced to do anything to themselves. That’s just my 2 cents though.

No, 99% of them *don't* have good reasons, that's the point.

You will note that my proposed measure doesn't force anyone to do anything.  It simply saddles them with the natural consequences of not taking preventative measures.  How would that be any different than an insurance company denying a claim stemming from a heart attack incident because the person suffering the heart attack had officially refused to take the doctor's prescribed medicine? 

Freedom of choice has costs.  If you choose stupidly enough for long enough, eventually you will dig yourself into a hole you can't get out of.

ricorat
btickler wrote:
ricorat wrote:

I feel like that’s taking things to far. People who aren’t getting vaccinated have good reasons and in my opinion, no one should ever be forced to do anything to themselves. That’s just my 2 cents though.

No, 99% of them *don't* have good reasons, that's the point.

You will note that my proposed measure doesn't force anyone to do anything.  It simply saddles them with the natural consequences of not taking preventative measures.  How would that be any different than an insurance company denying a claim stemming from a heart attack incident because the person suffering the heart attack had officially refused to take the doctor's prescribed medicine?

Well in this case I think the reason for not getting it is that the vaccine is still experimental. As far as I’m aware (I could be wrong though) there have been no long term tests on it, so unvaccinated people have a good reason in my opinion. Although I do see where you’re coming from.

DiogenesDue
ricorat wrote:

Well in this case I think the reason for not getting it is that the vaccine is still experimental. As far as I’m aware (I could be wrong though) there have been no long term tests on it, so unvaccinated people have a good reason in my opinion. Although I do see where you’re coming from.

You are partially correct.  Most vaccines are still operating under the EUA rules.  The Pfizer vaccine is fully approved by the FDA...a number of people that are busy clamoring about other stuff seem to have missed this development...

And, for good measure, the CDC is now recommending boosters for everyone 18 and older, not just 65+ or with a qualifying condition.

Srinibas_Masanta

Theoretically vaccines in India like Covaxin and Covishield will be quite effective against omicron variant as well. In case of double vaccinated people, cases of serious infections and mortality should be low. In populations that are unvaccinated, there are chances that mortality might be high but based on what we know about Omicron, it only seems to be causing mild infections, so the chances of it (being as deadly as second wave) really are 50-50 in unvaccinated.

tomfinney123

impressive , i have lost count of how many youve blocked lol , what a thread btickler , it should carry a cc health warning , 

and unfollow 

DiogenesDue
tomfinney123 wrote:

impressive , i have lost count of how many youve blocked lol , what a thread btickler , it should carry a cc health warning , 

and unfollow 

Oh no, a newly minted sockpuppet has unfollowed my thread...

Did that sound convincing?

IMKeto
btickler wrote:
tomfinney123 wrote:

impressive , i have lost count of how many youve blocked lol , what a thread btickler , it should carry a cc health warning , 

and unfollow 

Oh no, a newly minted sockpuppet has unfollowed my thread...

Did that sound convincing?

Its a pain to be popular here

power_9_the_people

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/snapping-science-male-pregnant-seahorse-placentas-astronauts-in-labrador-and-more-1.6263003/this-canadian-physicist-knew-years-ago-that-infections-like-covid-19-could-be-airborne-1.6263011?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0048969721065773

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/health/239-experts-with-one-big-claim-the-coronavirus-is-airborne.html

Omicron might be more easily  airborne transmitted...

Like Delta was already, compared to the other variants before it

 

 

power_9_the_people

The rapid rise is the problem 

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03614-z?

 

LazyDog24

The vaccine is not experimental. Millions if not billions have received it. The only reason we produced it so fast was better technology. The mother of one of my friends said the same things, guess what? She had to to to the hospital. She survived, but it was pretty miserable. No one thinks it's gonna be the. Until it's them.

 

Srinibas_Masanta

A preliminary study by South African scientists suggests that the Omicron variant is associated with a substantial ability to evade immunity from prior infection and is three times more likely to cause reinfections compared to the Beta or Delta variants. There were 35,670 suspected reinfections among nearly 2.8 million individuals with positive test results for coronavirus disease (Covid-19). Those who tested positive for Covid 90 days apart were considered to have suspected reinfections.

Srinibas_Masanta

"Recent reinfections have occurred in individuals whose primary infections occurred across all three waves, with the most having their primary infection in the Delta wave," tweeted Juliet Pulliam, director of the South African DSI-NRF Centre of Excellence in Epidemiological Modelling and Analysis.

The researchers also observed a recent surge in the number of reinfections in individuals who already had multiple suspected infections from mid-November. The study may have significant implications for public health measures, particularly in countries with high rates of immunity from prior infection.

DiogenesDue

This is what happens when you keep letting the virus run around unchecked.  Imagine Covid like billions of people all playing one lottery ticket every day.  If they keep playing every day, somebody is going to win big prizes often, and it's only a matter of time before somebody wins it all.  Which is what Omicron did...it won the whole lottery by hitting 3 for 3 on spike mutations that combat all the major vaccines in one variant. 

People are shocked that these mutations keeps happening...but it's not a surprise...and in fact *it is inevitable* if 70%-80% immunization is not reached worldwide.

The whole point of vaccines is not to protect *you* specifically...that's a nice by-product.  It's to reduce the overall scope of the virus' spread until it shrinks and stops mutating.  All the vaccine deniers are perpetuating the pandemic and putting everybody at risk.

Srinibas_Masanta

Pulliam said the authors didn’t have information about the vaccination status of individuals with suspected reinfections and therefore could not assess whether Omicron also evades vaccine-derived immunity. The scientists are planning to quantify the extent of Omicron’s immune escape for both natural and vaccine-derived immunity.

“Data are also urgently needed on disease severity associated with Omicron infection, including in individuals with a history of prior infection,” Pulliam wrote.

RonaldJosephCote

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/called-stealth-omicron-offshoot-identified-014318927.html    

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