https://www.statista.com/chart/25326/obligatory-vaccination-against-covid-19/
something you don't understand about that link?
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Mar 12, 2022
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#3322
There is nothing I don't understand about that link, and I know there's a place called the internet, in this internet I can clearly see protests against a vaccine mandate in Canada, vaccine mandates being applied in Israel, France. How can there be vaccine mandates protests without a vaccine mandate? I will find something for you that proves there are vaccine mandates in these countries I mentioned.
France:
https://www.gouvernement.fr/info-coronavirus/pass-vaccinal
The first point in this link I will translate for you:
Starting from the 14th of march, application of the vaccine mandates will be suspended. So it has been active before the day arrives.
Canada:
Translated for you:
Covid-19 in Canada: towards the end of the vaccination pass in Quebec
Strict health measures will be relaxed, which include replacing the PCR test with an antigen test to enter the country.
Canada has announced the relaxation of health restrictions at its borders and in particular the end of the requirement for a PCR test to enter the country, while Quebec will gradually abandon its vaccine passport. “It is time to adjust our approach,” said Jean-Yves Duclos, Federal Minister of Health, Tuesday February 15.
Canada has also lifted its recommendation to avoid travel abroad, when the country has been shaken for more than two weeks by a challenge to health measures. As of February 28, vaccinated travelers will no longer be required to present a negative PCR test when entering Canada. They will have the option of using a rapid antigen test or a molecular test, and may also be randomly tested upon arrival. Fully vaccinated travelers awaiting the result of a random test will no longer have to self-quarantine while awaiting their result.
All the truckers drama protesting against vaccine mandates.
Now let's close this bracket and go back to our point shall we?
Mar 12, 2022
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#3326
"There is nothing I don't understand about that link"
Then why would you ask me where I'm getting information from?
Tempts me to ask you again if there's something you don't understand about the link.
But instead - what about refraining from that question when somebody obviously has been including links?
If you make it a practice to not click -
then maybe that could again cause you to ask 'where?'
Is that what's going on?
I clicked and I posted new links, I also realized we weren't referring to the same thing:
You were referring to authorities OBLIGING people of getting vaccinated.
I am referring to authorities decreasing the freedom of the people who aren't vaccinated.
Mar 12, 2022
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#3328
I could certainly understand not clicking links.
I myself make it a point to refrain from robotically clicking them.
But if that leads to 'where?' ...
Mar 12, 2022
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#3329
"You were referring to authorities OBLIGING people of getting vaccinated."
Wrong again. But its okay.
But maybe your question of 'where' is now dropped.
Hopefully. Would be 'progress'.
I'm sorry what? I clicked on the link, it doesn't mention Canada, France, Israel, countries where it's well known you can get into some trouble without a vaccine passeport. Maybe they don't take them into consideration because it's not exactly an 'obligation' but but the vaccine passport system indirectly compels you to get the shot because in some places you can't go to work, can't resign from your job etc...
Like you remember the truckers' movement from a few weeks ago right?
What was it for? The abolition of vaccine mandates in Canada. Your link doesn't mention Canada as a country where vaccine mandates are applied. Do you get where I'm coming from now?
Mar 12, 2022
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#3332
You're sorry? Apology accepted.
Here's your phrase again. "I don't know where you're getting this from."
Is that all cleared up now?
You've said there's nothing you don't understand about the link.
I'm suggesting - refrain from that 'from' phrase when you see whoever has posted a link.
If you don't intend to click the link - there's always an option ...
mention that you didn't click the link.
Mar 13, 2022
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#3333
"Also I see you're talking about immunity, but the immunity acquired after an infection is much more efficient than vaccine immunity. "
That is not true!
Mar 13, 2022
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#3334
chamo2074 a écrit :
We're repeating the same stuff over and over only to hit the wall.
What I'm saying is that while vaccines do reduce dangerous cases and decrease deaths like you're saying, some people aren't as vulnerable from COVID as others and no matter what everyone should have the choice on what they want to inject into their bodies, and this not being at the cost of one's job or freedom.
Vaccine immunity is 'critical' but it's temporary and not quite a guarantee of survival + adds risks of side effects.
a new NIH-supported study shows that the answer to this question will vary based on how an individual’s antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 were generated: over the course of a naturally acquired infection or from a COVID-19 vaccine. The new evidence shows that protective antibodies generated in response to an mRNA vaccine will target a broader range of SARS-CoV-2 variants carrying “single letter” changes in a key portion of their spike protein compared to antibodies acquired from an infection.
These results add to evidence that people with acquired immunity may have differing levels of protection to emerging SARS-CoV-2 variants. More importantly, the data provide further documentation that those who’ve had and recovered from a COVID-19 infection still stand to benefit from getting vaccinated.
Mar 13, 2022
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#3335
chamo2074 a écrit :
Like you remember the truckers' movement from a few weeks ago right?
What was it for? The abolition of vaccine mandates in Canada. Your link doesn't mention Canada as a country where vaccine mandates are applied. Do you get where I'm coming from now?
No it was not! it was a pretext!!
Who is who? A guide to the major players in the trucker convoy protest
Right wing conspiracy theorist. who want to remove a newly elected liberal government.
Dichter also uses his Twitter account to share and spread memes related to the convoy, including one that reads “Justin Trudeau must be stopped … no matter the cost.”
Barber calls the COVID-19 vaccine mandates "tyranny at its finest" and compares the policy to the strict government oversight of North Korea,
Barber also said in a subsequent TikTok that he has Confederate flags hanging on his wall at home,
PAT KING:
Pat King is a far-right protester who has said in videos posted to social media that there may be future plans to target politicians' homes and that "the only way that this is going to be solved is with bullets." He has called for the arrest of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Ottawa Police Chief Peter Sloly.
King has gained attention online for a video posted to Twitter in which he decries the "depopulation" of white people, as well as another video posted in 2019 in which he makes racist remarks about Jewish, Muslim, and Chinese people.
Bulford said he quit his job at the RCMP on Dec. 15, 2021, after refusing the organization's vaccine mandate to get vaccinated against COVID-19.
Quiggin is the co-author of a book called “The New Order of Fear,” which is described on Amazon as “a fictional work that explores how globalists wish to remake our world into a Marxian-inspired totalitarian system.” Quiggin advertised the book in a pinned tweet: “Justin Trudeau is found dead in his bed, strangled with a pair of Halal socks, given to him by Cabinet Minister Omar Alghabra.”
Hodkinson spoke at the convoy in Ottawa on Feb. 4, calling the federal government “idiots” and saying that “COVID was a very fortunate thing to happen to society” because it exposed the restrictions government has been “imposing on us for decades.” He told the crowd there would be no negotiations or “dithering” with the federal government, to which the crowd erupted in cheers.
The COVID-19 vaccines authorized by Health Canada are not experimental and are backed up by large-scale clinical research and real-world data.
Mar 13, 2022
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#3336
chamo2074 a écrit :
playerafar wrote:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/specific-groups/allergies.html
Now there's some info about people who had some bad reactions to first vaccination.
If you're penicillin allergic - should you tell the authorities ?
I say yes. Call the authorities on the phone before going in for your vaccination.
Remember - a lot of people haven't been vaccinated At All yet.
They'll probably tell you 'no problem' if you're penicillin allergic.
And say 'come on in'. Tell them anyway.
Tell them - even if you've already had some vaxx before.
Tell them - if you've had allergies to flu shots.
Suggestion: tell them on the phone. Not when you go in.
I got hits on the net right away - when I looked up allergic reactions to Covid vaxx.
Including CDC hits. Center for Disease Control in Atlanta Georgia.
A site mentioned '15 minutes'.
That's how long the observation is - in some jurisdictions - after they vaxx you.
Vaxx isn't a free pass. Its a measure - greatly reducing the chances that you'll be infected or hospitalized or damaged or dead from Covid -and reducing the chances you'll spread it.
That last one gets a lot of challenges..
Its been said that 'viral load' is at the same level among the vaccinated.
Some way of interpreting the statistics perhaps.
Try logic for a second ...
if you're thoroughly vaccinated - how likely is it that the virus is going to survive in your system very long ?
Vaccination is to stimulate your immune system - which is the Only Thing that can save you from Covid.
If your immune system doesn't win - then you lose. Its over.
Simple as that.
So if vaccination helps your immune system get a big head start in killing Covid viruses inside you - what does that say about the virus suriving in your system for any length of time so that you spread it?
Any problems 'connecting the dots' there ?
Suggesting that vaccination doesn't slow the spread of the disease - seems like an awful thing to say - to me.
Its like saying 'masks don't work'.
A lot of the same people doing that apparently bitterly complain about the lockdowns and mandates that they have made more necessary by helping the virus.
Why do I say ? Well for one thing I"ve seen it on the site.
There's a clause of non-responsibility in case of side-effects.
https://globalnews.ca/news/7521148/coronavirus-vaccine-safety-liability-government-anand-pfizer/
They may say it's normal but it makes it much harder to speak with the authorities unlike what you're saying here.
I can understand based on what you're saying that you're for the mandates?
Also I see you're talking about immunity, but the immunity acquired after an infection is much more efficient than vaccine immunity. Proof, if we needed a booster every few months, it means that the immunity acquired is not quite enough. Omicron is not as dangerous so it's a good chance to be immune against Covid without risking side-effects. (I don't think I need to provide a link here those are well-known facts)
Deaths are decreasing? Sure, we can partially give credit to the vaccines, but it's also due to the fact that omicron isn't as deadly.
@AnneLiz
Vaccinating a lot of people and noticing little side effects is not enough.
Thousands of people out of 65M is a lot.
The completion of the study date is planned for 2023 because we need to take a look at the mid-term and long-term side-effects which we are yet to know.
By closely examining the results, the researchers uncovered important differences between acquired immunity in people who’d been vaccinated and unvaccinated people who’d been previously infected with SARS-CoV-2. Specifically, antibodies elicited by the mRNA vaccine were more focused to the RBD compared to antibodies elicited by an infection, which more often targeted other portions of the spike protein. Importantly, the vaccine-elicited antibodies targeted a broader range of places on the RBD than those elicited by natural infection.
These findings suggest that natural immunity and vaccine-generated immunity to SARS-CoV-2 will differ in how they recognize new viral variants. What’s more, antibodies acquired with the help of a vaccine may be more likely to target new SARS-CoV-2 variants potently, even when the variants carry new mutations in the RBD.
Mar 13, 2022
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#3338
The word 'immunity' is used quite skillfully.
But with a good purpose?
Are Covid vaccines about vaccine 'immunity' ?
Or are Covid vaccines about saving lives including the tens of millions of lives they've saved already?
Are millions of lives in the future to depend on how whoever wants to infer the semantics of a word 'immunity' - that does not reflect the highest priorities and imperatives of fighting Covid ?
Repeat:
Persons who are unvaccinated are 97 Times as likely to die upon being infected with Covid as people who are fully vaccinated are.
Nine thousand seven hundred percent more likely to die ...
Mar 13, 2022
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#3339
Could people be duped by digital A or B semantics of the word 'immunity'?
the short answer: Yes.
Are they? Have many people been so duped and by other verbal distortions of the Covid pandemic?
Yes. And in huge numbers. Gigantic numbers.
Scores:
Doctor Joseph Mercola - $100 million dollars plus
Covid virus: Six million reported dead so far (an undercount)
Better: Beat the virus. Beat the disinformation too.
Australia and Australians seem to be doing a good job of that.
Mar 13, 2022
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#3340
chamo2074 a écrit :
There is nothing I don't understand about that link, and I know there's a place called the internet, in this internet I can clearly see protests against a vaccine mandate in Canada, vaccine mandates being applied in Israel, France. How can there be vaccine mandates protests without a vaccine mandate? I will find something for you that proves there are vaccine mandates in these countries I mentioned.
Because it was about a right wing hardcore organizers that wanted political change..there were no vaccine mandate for any civil servants in any province in Canada.
Like there are no Nazis in control of anything in Ukraine even if the invasion and war crimes from Putin are to overthrow the "nazi" in control of the country.
It's a pretext to achieve something else.
Who is behind the protests?
While truckers initiated the protests on Jan. 22, only a few of them are among a group of self-proclaimed leaders involved in the organizing. Far-right activists and separatists from Western Canada have also seized on the issue to air anti-government grievances.
The far-right People’s Party of Canada, which has no seats in the federal Parliament, was strongly represented in the ranks of the Ottawa protesters. One of the key organizers of the so-called Freedom Convoy in Ottawa, Tamara Lich, was previously an official with the Maverick Party, which promotes breaking off Canada’s three western Prairie Provinces from the rest of the country.
They were ambitious, issuing blanket demands for the lifting of all of the country’s pandemic restrictions and the dissolving of the Parliament and the removal of Mr. Trudeau from office.
Another main organizer of the truck convoy is a group called Canada Unity, which initially published a “memorandum of understanding” calling for the end of pandemic restrictions. The group later withdrew the memo after it came under criticism in part for seeming to endorse the toppling of the government.
About 90 percent of all truckers are vaccinated and a majority of Canadians say they support public health measures intended to slow the spread of the coronavirus.
https://www.nytimes.com/article/canada-trucker-protests.html
There's over 210 countries where you can refuse to be vaccinated.
Its not about me or 'where I'm getting it from'.
There's something called the internet.
You can click the links I provided and check it yourself.
Regarding organizations requiring vaccinations - as opposed to countries ...
if you walk into a restaurant and they kick you out because you haven't proof of vaccination - does that mean they 'forced' you to vaccinate?
These things aren't digital A or B.
But if 'we' pretend they are - then its a 'discussion' ?
No 'discussion' if 'we' agree they aren't ?