You're sorry? Apology accepted.
Here's your phrase again. "I don't know where you're getting this from."
Is that all cleared up now?
You've said there's nothing you don't understand about the link.
I'm suggesting - refrain from that 'from' phrase when you see whoever has posted a link.
If you don't intend to click the link - there's always an option ...
mention that you didn't click the link.
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Mar 12, 2022
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Mar 13, 2022
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#3363
"Also I see you're talking about immunity, but the immunity acquired after an infection is much more efficient than vaccine immunity. "
That is not true!
Mar 13, 2022
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chamo2074 a écrit :
We're repeating the same stuff over and over only to hit the wall.
What I'm saying is that while vaccines do reduce dangerous cases and decrease deaths like you're saying, some people aren't as vulnerable from COVID as others and no matter what everyone should have the choice on what they want to inject into their bodies, and this not being at the cost of one's job or freedom.
Vaccine immunity is 'critical' but it's temporary and not quite a guarantee of survival + adds risks of side effects.
a new NIH-supported study shows that the answer to this question will vary based on how an individual’s antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 were generated: over the course of a naturally acquired infection or from a COVID-19 vaccine. The new evidence shows that protective antibodies generated in response to an mRNA vaccine will target a broader range of SARS-CoV-2 variants carrying “single letter” changes in a key portion of their spike protein compared to antibodies acquired from an infection.
These results add to evidence that people with acquired immunity may have differing levels of protection to emerging SARS-CoV-2 variants. More importantly, the data provide further documentation that those who’ve had and recovered from a COVID-19 infection still stand to benefit from getting vaccinated.
Mar 13, 2022
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#3365
chamo2074 a écrit :
Like you remember the truckers' movement from a few weeks ago right?
What was it for? The abolition of vaccine mandates in Canada. Your link doesn't mention Canada as a country where vaccine mandates are applied. Do you get where I'm coming from now?
No it was not! it was a pretext!!
Who is who? A guide to the major players in the trucker convoy protest
Right wing conspiracy theorist. who want to remove a newly elected liberal government.
Dichter also uses his Twitter account to share and spread memes related to the convoy, including one that reads “Justin Trudeau must be stopped … no matter the cost.”
Barber calls the COVID-19 vaccine mandates "tyranny at its finest" and compares the policy to the strict government oversight of North Korea,
Barber also said in a subsequent TikTok that he has Confederate flags hanging on his wall at home,
PAT KING:
Pat King is a far-right protester who has said in videos posted to social media that there may be future plans to target politicians' homes and that "the only way that this is going to be solved is with bullets." He has called for the arrest of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Ottawa Police Chief Peter Sloly.
King has gained attention online for a video posted to Twitter in which he decries the "depopulation" of white people, as well as another video posted in 2019 in which he makes racist remarks about Jewish, Muslim, and Chinese people.
Bulford said he quit his job at the RCMP on Dec. 15, 2021, after refusing the organization's vaccine mandate to get vaccinated against COVID-19.
Quiggin is the co-author of a book called “The New Order of Fear,” which is described on Amazon as “a fictional work that explores how globalists wish to remake our world into a Marxian-inspired totalitarian system.” Quiggin advertised the book in a pinned tweet: “Justin Trudeau is found dead in his bed, strangled with a pair of Halal socks, given to him by Cabinet Minister Omar Alghabra.”
Hodkinson spoke at the convoy in Ottawa on Feb. 4, calling the federal government “idiots” and saying that “COVID was a very fortunate thing to happen to society” because it exposed the restrictions government has been “imposing on us for decades.” He told the crowd there would be no negotiations or “dithering” with the federal government, to which the crowd erupted in cheers.
The COVID-19 vaccines authorized by Health Canada are not experimental and are backed up by large-scale clinical research and real-world data.
Mar 13, 2022
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#3366
chamo2074 a écrit :
playerafar wrote:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/specific-groups/allergies.html
Now there's some info about people who had some bad reactions to first vaccination.
If you're penicillin allergic - should you tell the authorities ?
I say yes. Call the authorities on the phone before going in for your vaccination.
Remember - a lot of people haven't been vaccinated At All yet.
They'll probably tell you 'no problem' if you're penicillin allergic.
And say 'come on in'. Tell them anyway.
Tell them - even if you've already had some vaxx before.
Tell them - if you've had allergies to flu shots.
Suggestion: tell them on the phone. Not when you go in.
I got hits on the net right away - when I looked up allergic reactions to Covid vaxx.
Including CDC hits. Center for Disease Control in Atlanta Georgia.
A site mentioned '15 minutes'.
That's how long the observation is - in some jurisdictions - after they vaxx you.
Vaxx isn't a free pass. Its a measure - greatly reducing the chances that you'll be infected or hospitalized or damaged or dead from Covid -and reducing the chances you'll spread it.
That last one gets a lot of challenges..
Its been said that 'viral load' is at the same level among the vaccinated.
Some way of interpreting the statistics perhaps.
Try logic for a second ...
if you're thoroughly vaccinated - how likely is it that the virus is going to survive in your system very long ?
Vaccination is to stimulate your immune system - which is the Only Thing that can save you from Covid.
If your immune system doesn't win - then you lose. Its over.
Simple as that.
So if vaccination helps your immune system get a big head start in killing Covid viruses inside you - what does that say about the virus suriving in your system for any length of time so that you spread it?
Any problems 'connecting the dots' there ?
Suggesting that vaccination doesn't slow the spread of the disease - seems like an awful thing to say - to me.
Its like saying 'masks don't work'.
A lot of the same people doing that apparently bitterly complain about the lockdowns and mandates that they have made more necessary by helping the virus.
Why do I say ? Well for one thing I"ve seen it on the site.
There's a clause of non-responsibility in case of side-effects.
https://globalnews.ca/news/7521148/coronavirus-vaccine-safety-liability-government-anand-pfizer/
They may say it's normal but it makes it much harder to speak with the authorities unlike what you're saying here.
I can understand based on what you're saying that you're for the mandates?
Also I see you're talking about immunity, but the immunity acquired after an infection is much more efficient than vaccine immunity. Proof, if we needed a booster every few months, it means that the immunity acquired is not quite enough. Omicron is not as dangerous so it's a good chance to be immune against Covid without risking side-effects. (I don't think I need to provide a link here those are well-known facts)
Deaths are decreasing? Sure, we can partially give credit to the vaccines, but it's also due to the fact that omicron isn't as deadly.
@AnneLiz
Vaccinating a lot of people and noticing little side effects is not enough.
Thousands of people out of 65M is a lot.
The completion of the study date is planned for 2023 because we need to take a look at the mid-term and long-term side-effects which we are yet to know.
By closely examining the results, the researchers uncovered important differences between acquired immunity in people who’d been vaccinated and unvaccinated people who’d been previously infected with SARS-CoV-2. Specifically, antibodies elicited by the mRNA vaccine were more focused to the RBD compared to antibodies elicited by an infection, which more often targeted other portions of the spike protein. Importantly, the vaccine-elicited antibodies targeted a broader range of places on the RBD than those elicited by natural infection.
These findings suggest that natural immunity and vaccine-generated immunity to SARS-CoV-2 will differ in how they recognize new viral variants. What’s more, antibodies acquired with the help of a vaccine may be more likely to target new SARS-CoV-2 variants potently, even when the variants carry new mutations in the RBD.
Mar 13, 2022
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#3368
The word 'immunity' is used quite skillfully.
But with a good purpose?
Are Covid vaccines about vaccine 'immunity' ?
Or are Covid vaccines about saving lives including the tens of millions of lives they've saved already?
Are millions of lives in the future to depend on how whoever wants to infer the semantics of a word 'immunity' - that does not reflect the highest priorities and imperatives of fighting Covid ?
Repeat:
Persons who are unvaccinated are 97 Times as likely to die upon being infected with Covid as people who are fully vaccinated are.
Nine thousand seven hundred percent more likely to die ...
Mar 13, 2022
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#3369
Could people be duped by digital A or B semantics of the word 'immunity'?
the short answer: Yes.
Are they? Have many people been so duped and by other verbal distortions of the Covid pandemic?
Yes. And in huge numbers. Gigantic numbers.
Scores:
Doctor Joseph Mercola - $100 million dollars plus
Covid virus: Six million reported dead so far (an undercount)
Better: Beat the virus. Beat the disinformation too.
Australia and Australians seem to be doing a good job of that.
Mar 13, 2022
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chamo2074 a écrit :
There is nothing I don't understand about that link, and I know there's a place called the internet, in this internet I can clearly see protests against a vaccine mandate in Canada, vaccine mandates being applied in Israel, France. How can there be vaccine mandates protests without a vaccine mandate? I will find something for you that proves there are vaccine mandates in these countries I mentioned.
Because it was about a right wing hardcore organizers that wanted political change..there were no vaccine mandate for any civil servants in any province in Canada.
Like there are no Nazis in control of anything in Ukraine even if the invasion and war crimes from Putin are to overthrow the "nazi" in control of the country.
It's a pretext to achieve something else.
Who is behind the protests?
While truckers initiated the protests on Jan. 22, only a few of them are among a group of self-proclaimed leaders involved in the organizing. Far-right activists and separatists from Western Canada have also seized on the issue to air anti-government grievances.
The far-right People’s Party of Canada, which has no seats in the federal Parliament, was strongly represented in the ranks of the Ottawa protesters. One of the key organizers of the so-called Freedom Convoy in Ottawa, Tamara Lich, was previously an official with the Maverick Party, which promotes breaking off Canada’s three western Prairie Provinces from the rest of the country.
They were ambitious, issuing blanket demands for the lifting of all of the country’s pandemic restrictions and the dissolving of the Parliament and the removal of Mr. Trudeau from office.
Another main organizer of the truck convoy is a group called Canada Unity, which initially published a “memorandum of understanding” calling for the end of pandemic restrictions. The group later withdrew the memo after it came under criticism in part for seeming to endorse the toppling of the government.
About 90 percent of all truckers are vaccinated and a majority of Canadians say they support public health measures intended to slow the spread of the coronavirus.
https://www.nytimes.com/article/canada-trucker-protests.html
About immunity:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G0KEwsR5XI
Around 2:05, the CEO of Pfizer says it himself, talking about the need of a 4th dose: "The immunity is also pretty good against omicron, but we need a 4th dose because it doesn't last very long" (in my own words)
About the protests: I know a big amount of people in it are from far-right political parties, but what are they demanding other than freedom of choice regarding the citizens' bodies?
Plus it was only to prove the denied fact that there ARE vaccine mandates in Canada and not just those 11 countries mentioned by the link posted by @playerafar.
It may be totally authorized by now, but the fact that the study completion date was meant to be for the spring of 2023 does not change because of a decision. We don't know what the long-term side effects are yet.
As for something mentioned earlier about "vaccine obligation is made to save people's lives, you're basically saying that the citizens don't want to save their lives? That they're not responsible of saving their lives? That they don't know how to save their lives? Vaccines offer IN NO WAY a "herd protection" because it does not prevent transmission, so every individual should choose whether they want to take the jab or not, and whether they judge it more risky to risk side-effects from the vaccine or a dangerous COVID case.
"About 90 percent of all truckers are vaccinated and a majority of Canadians say they support public health measures intended to slow the spread of the coronavirus."
That's my favorite part, they're vaccinated and still believe that everyone has the freedom to chose what they want to inject into their bodies. I have great respect for these people.
Mar 13, 2022
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#3373
Anybody can build false 'meanings' into somebody else's posts.
Anybody can quote any 'authority' who used the word 'immunity'.
Why do people who are victimized by Covid disinformation -
(including those who are so victimized by Death - not just misguidance)
so vulnerable to the term 'immunity'? And to the other terms used?
There appears to be many causes.
1) people want to be 'immune'. Its natural.
So if somebody then accurately (and often innocently) says to whoever: "
The vaccines don't provide 100% immunity"
the unfortunate reaction might be then
"Huhhh ??? What ?? They don't ?? Then What ....??"
In other words - a trainwreck has just happened. A Tragic trainwreck.
Of misinterpretation.
Leading to many excess deaths. Needless deaths.
2) The 'immune' system is involved. People hear the term 'immune system'. So they then naturally and innocently (but vulnerably) think
in terms of digital A or B 'total immunity'.
So many things both inside and outside of science - are Scalar.
Are 'grey areas'. Not vague mysteries.
But 'in between' situations. Most things are.
3) 'You'll be 'immunized'. Again - semantics leading to tragedy.
And when vaccines first came out - many saying ... (including politicians)
"Hey if you're vaccinated - no need to wear a mask anymore"
Bordered (at the time) on criminal negligence to say such a thing.
Link? Source? Easy search probably. Senator Rand Paul.
But also produced a situation of contradiction:
Many worshipping such politicians - but many of those who are in turn 'anti-vaxx'.
How do they resolve their own internal contradiction ?
The answer is - they don't need to.
It isn't about logic nor fighting the disease for them.
Mar 13, 2022
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#3374
chamo2074 a écrit :
"About 90 percent of all truckers are vaccinated and a majority of Canadians say they support public health measures intended to slow the spread of the coronavirus."
That's my favorite part, they're vaccinated and still believe that everyone has the freedom to chose what they want to inject into their bodies. I have great respect for these people.
You got that wrong again.....not even .1% of the truckers were there and you have no reason to think that more than that agree to break the law and to block the main street of a town for two weeks and to use their horn +16 hours a day to harrass peoples..
The hard core wanted to remove the newly elected liberal government and that is why FOXNEWS and Trump family and all the right wing extremist in the US were praising them and give them half the +10 millions and that is why most of that money were frozen by a judge because evidence from authorities showed that the "Freedom Convoy" had morphed into an "occupation" involving unlawful activities.
Their agenda was political and the mandate you talked about NEVER applied to most or to the healthcare workers or to the population of Canada in general...only for employees in the federally regulated air, rail, and marine transportation sectors and its travellers.
There was no vaccine mandate for +90% of the population in Canada!
More than 95% of employees have attested to being fully vaccinated and approximately 98% have had at least one dose.
Mar 13, 2022
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#3375
#3489 ... looks like a good and informative post.
Always good to get the real information.
Lmao I'm sorry but the Pfizer CEO is not any authority. I wonder who you believe, and you think is not anyone? Maybe anyone who says a single negative word about the vaccine is somebody who spreads misinformation. We're talking about the pfizer CEO, he said the vaccine immunity doesn't last long, the PFIZER CEO.
@Marie-AnneLiz I will make my research about the subjet you seem to know some. But I have someone in Canada he;s really struggling because of the vaccine campaign.
@playerafar
"1) people want to be 'immune'. Its natural.
So if somebody then accurately (and often innocently) says to whoever: "
The vaccines don't provide 100% immunity"
the unfortunate reaction might be then
"Huhhh ??? What ?? They don't ?? Then What ....??"
In other words - a trainwreck has just happened. A Tragic trainwreck.
Of misinterpretation.
Leading to many excess deaths. Needless deaths."
Please don't twist my words that's not what I said, nor what the pfizer CEO I'm quoting said. He said "vaccine immunity doesn't last long"
Mar 13, 2022
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chamo2074 a écrit :
Lmao I'm sorry but the Pfizer CEO is not any authority. I wonder who you believe, and you think is not anyone? Maybe anyone who says a single negative word about the vaccine is somebody who spreads misinformation. We're talking about the pfizer CEO, he said the vaccine immunity doesn't last long, the PFIZER CEO.
Nothing last for ever....after 5 months it start to be less effective...so what?
Nothing knew there! we all know that if we listen to the news once in a while.
I got three shot and if i need more i will get more,if you don't like it,it's your choice.
Mar 13, 2022
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chamo2074 wrote:
@Marie-AnneLiz I will make my research about the subjet you seem to know some. But I have someone in Canada he;s really struggling because of the vaccine campaign.
@playerafar
"1) people want to be 'immune'. Its natural.
So if somebody then accurately (and often innocently) says to whoever: "
The vaccines don't provide 100% immunity"
the unfortunate reaction might be then
"Huhhh ??? What ?? They don't ?? Then What ....??"
In other words - a trainwreck has just happened. A Tragic trainwreck.
Of misinterpretation.
Leading to many excess deaths. Needless deaths."
Please don't twist my words that's not what I said, nor what the pfizer CEO I'm quoting said. He said "vaccine immunity doesn't last long"
Who mentioned your name ??
"Please don't" ... if they're not your words what's your problem?
Also has it occurred to you that you don't define what 'we' are talking about?
Mar 13, 2022
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chamo2074 a écrit :
@Marie-AnneLiz I will make my research about the subjet you seem to know some. But I have someone in Canada he;s really struggling because of the vaccine campaign.
@playerafar
"1) people want to be 'immune'. Its natural.
So if somebody then accurately (and often innocently) says to whoever: "
The vaccines don't provide 100% immunity"
the unfortunate reaction might be then
"Huhhh ??? What ?? They don't ?? Then What ....??"
In other words - a trainwreck has just happened. A Tragic trainwreck.
Of misinterpretation.
Leading to many excess deaths. Needless deaths."
Please don't twist my words that's not what I said, nor what the pfizer CEO I'm quoting said. He said "vaccine immunity doesn't last long"
I live in Montreal and i was born here a very long time ago...i know one of my nicest neighbor a woman (55 years old) who think Putin is great and our Prime Minister should go in jail because he bought so many pfizer vaccine(she think he is corrupted) ....knowing someone (even a nice friend) saying that the sky is red doesn't mean it's red!
I just avoid some subject with some otherwise nice friend when i see that they are irrational....
Like you remember the truckers' movement from a few weeks ago right?
What was it for? The abolition of vaccine mandates in Canada. Your link doesn't mention Canada as a country where vaccine mandates are applied. Do you get where I'm coming from now?