Covid-19 Discussion (moderated)

Another thing that might help:
There's a paradox that constantly comes up in forums:  (comes up - I didn't say it gets talked about )
Are the posts 1) about the posters or 2) are they about the subjects they're discussing or supposedly discussing ?
That paradox can be resolved.  Realistically.

Its never going to completely get away from 1).
Anything anybody ever posts is going to be somehow about that person in some way.  With much variation.
What about 2) ?  That can get lost.
So ideally - its about both.  But isn't always that way.

Exactly! It's my choice! That's what I've been arguing for.

I think there's a huge misunderstanding here. What I was trying to say is that everybody is free and dependent to make decisions regarding their own bodies, which is why I was only opposing vaccine mandates. I, in no way, am trying to argue for the abolition of vaccines, nor do I belong to any of the far-right political parties you mentioned.

I have been looking at different Facebook groups, comments, youtube comments, and irl comments from all kinds of real people. Not fishy articles, not missinformation, just a bunch of real, common people like you and me. And there's so many comments about horrible side effects from the vaccine, not just on the short term. Mid-term, even long-term. People with months of breathing issues, muscle pain, and an overall unhealthiness. And their biggest regret is to have taken the vaccine, because it was never the same after that.

So I think it's valid to be able to choose and to question what exactly is going on with those vaccines. 

For some lucky people - their immune system beats Covid fast !
On its own.  Bingo !  Case closed.  Human 1.  Covid 0.
But that can't be known in advance - that your immune system is going to beat it.   So many times its been Human 0.  Covid 1.

For others - those vaxxx's are going to make a big positive difference.
Stimulate that immune system to get a Big Head Start against Covid and its variants.
So that it wins the fight.
That's what it is.  A fight. 
Your immune system wins fast enough - you live. 
If it doesn't win fast enough then Covid wins and that life is over.  

Is that maybe the only digital A or B in the entire business ? 
It might just be?
Well here's another candidate ...
You wear your mask.  You practice distancing.  You use commonsense.
You cooperate with all regulations and mandates relevant to you. 
Public and private.
Your government also acts to protect you from foreigners entering the country with Covid and so on.

The virus might then just never get started at all in your lungs.
It might not. 
And that could also mean you don't spread it to somebody else.  
Or to thousands of other people. Or to whoever you care about a Lot !  

If the virus can't get there - then that's Also  Human 1  Covid 0.

Thanks, mate, that's exactly and simply it.

I think many people have put off booster shots because they want to know more about the stats and official evaluations of the latest booster.
Yes - I'll try and find a link for that.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/millions-unboosted-covid-public-health-experts-face-tricky/story?id=83211554
Many don't want to end up getting a fourth shot and that's very understandable.  
For quite a while - many believed that it was two shots and that's it.
And they were right to.
Nobody could predict the future course of the disease and the variants.

True yeah, according to Albert Boula a 4th dose is "needed". May I just ask a question out of curiosity? How many doses are you ready to take? As you said we don't know if we'll have more than four but I just want to see what you have to say on that matter.

Does 'you' mean me ?
Its very common for people to get flu shots every year.
In various parts of the world.
And that's in a situation where the flu that is being combatted is very unlikely to kill 'you' if you get it.

So if we compare that to a situation where one is getting an annual or six-monthly vaccination to combat a lethal disease that threatens potentially  everybody and his brother with death and has already killed 6 million people in two years ....
is there some kind of 'intellectual difficulty' with same?
And is it to be about me personally?
The topic is about Covid - however much one might want it to be 'you and me'.  

I mentioned it was just out of curiosity. It's not really off-topic. You judged not wanting a 4th dose is understandable, but then you say it doesn't take any intellectual difficulty to accept getting doses every 6 months. 

After all, if it sounds like just a back and forth between two people I can delete but I don't see anything wrong with asking about somebody else's opinion on the subject.

Also "you" could refer to the plural.

 but then you say it doesn't take any intellectual difficulty to accept getting doses every 6 months. 
'I' did not say that.
There was a word in my post though.  'Compare'.
Surely it isn't difficult to distinguish 'compare' from 'accept' ...  'oh Dear !'

"to combat a lethal disease that threatens potentially  everybody and his brother with death and has already killed 6 million people in two years ...."

That sounds like you're talking about COVID though?

Maybe I'm missing something there.

I'm talking about Covid and this is chess.com and the month is March and water is wet.  
There's always an option.  The actual subject.
Many people have put off a booster.  Can be discussed.  Rather than 'you and me'.  
I guess I could start a forum about 'me' if I chose.
But I think I would have disdain for such a thing. 

I see. I apologize if I was misunderstood I just wanted to hear people's opinion on the subject in here.

You cannot trust those social media because there are thousands of trolls there...one of my best friend in SF take all her info from there and she will never get the vaccine because of the info she got there.

Ten of thousands of accounts have been close on those social media because of misinformation....trolls and peoples paid by some governments or just psychological effets...

Those social medias have nothing scientific and i saw thousands lately praising Putin and they say he is a great leader and Biden is incompetent....

If you use the social media to understand what is going on in the world you will be completely confused!

One of my best friend is on face book since +10 years and he try to convince everyone that Putin is great ...he has a PhD in political science and a master in traduction....and he did study 8 years in Moscow...and he is a great musician and a good cook and a nice human being and like Putin he love dogs....

People are really irrational often....and there is nothing we can do about it...even if i argue with him often.....

Listen, it is true that things on social media aren't completely correct, but it's not just about social media. ANSM in France numbers 137 000 victims of side-effects from the vaccine:

“Of the 136 million doses injected in France, there are 137,400 victims of adverse effects, i.e. a rate of 0.025%"

Medical Advisor of the COVID Cabinet at the Ministry of Health"

He also says that 24% of these side-effects are dangerous: "and it is on this proportion that we count a quarter of serious adverse effects" despite being pro-vaccine and induces the french population of taking the jab, but he had to admit it. Yes it is a low risk (24% of 0.025%), but    137 000 isn't a small number if you consider the fact that there is a non-responsibility clause in pfizer and moderna contracts https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html

(And that's not the only article on the subject they're easy to find)

With these risks of side-effects, authorities HAVE to understand people who don't want to get vaccinated. Even if there were no side-effects, it's their body afterall.

That doesn't mean much having adverse effect.....pain in an arm for 2-4 days and a bit of fever for 2 or 3 days is not anything major....

You have to be very specific about what you mean by adverse effect and why you have them...if you your immune system was already very weak you shouldn't get any vaccine! if you do well you are responsible!

• • Is there a risk of an allergic reaction to a COVID vaccine?

    According to the CDC, anyone who has a severe allergy (e.g., anaphylaxis) to any of the mRNA vaccine ingredients should not receive this vaccine. The CDC says people with allergies to certain foods, insects, latex and other common allergens can safely receive the COVID-19 vaccine. Those with a history of severe allergic reaction (anaphylaxis) to injectables or other vaccines should discuss the vaccination with their doctor, who can evaluate and assess their risk.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/is-the-covid19-vaccine-safe

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