Covid-19 Discussion (moderated)

@playerafar I wear masks everyday without complaints and assume the fact that it's a must in these circumstances. I don't think anybody brought this up yet and I agree with you on that matter.

Again it's not about me and you though

"@playerafar I wear masks everyday without complaints and assume the fact that it's a must in these circumstances. I don't think anybody brought this up yet and I agree with you on that matter."

I brought it up.
I brought it up so therefore your statement was/is incorrect and we disagree on that. 
And yes it shouldn't be about 'you and me' and water is wet too.

But people do Complain.  Bitterly.  About masks and vaccinations and every single measure taken to fight Covid.
They complain and oppose Vehemently. 
And spread disinformation Visciously !  Maliciously.  Perniciously.
Causing loss of life.  Men - women - and yes children too.
And apparently USA - my country - is the possible main Headquarters country of such efforts to spread Covid Disinformation.

Supposedly - some countries lied about their Covid numbers.
Nicaragua looks suspect to me.
China?   Apparently China is having new problems with Covid.
Since the Chinese government was the first to know about Covid and that government has much power and willingness to use that power ...
its logical to suppose that they reacted very quickly at the outset and took massive steps at the beginning to fight and contain the spread of the disease in their country.  And that they did not lie about their Covid numbers.

South Korea did too.  They fought the disease Early.
Massive early fighting in South Korea to detect and interdict and intercept the spread of the disease.
Its a fight.  A War.  The virus wants to kill us  !  
Yes.  Its called DNA.  It has biological  'instructions'. 
'Occupy hosts.  Eat their lungs.  Human lungs - yes !   Spread through their bodies.  Get transmitted.  Plenty of hosts."   
I can almost predict the mental retort ...  Lol.
'player - you know this for a fact ?  They talk like that?  They 'conspire' ? '

For those who are indoctrinated to doubt and reject the concepts and realities of DNA mutation and adaptation to survive and multiply ...
its easy for Disinformation leaders to push them in the directions they want to go. 
The direction that they want to go in and that their gurus and politicians want them to go in too.   Its as old as the Hills.
Whether such leaders are Ultimate quacks like Dr. Joseph Mercola -
or politicians like ...   that's right.

In America everyone has the choice to get a vaccine or not! If you think you are at risk to get a vaccine just go see your doctor he will help you decide if it is safe for you to get vaccinated.

If you have a good reason not to get any vaccine you will not loose any job....if it's just your ideology well it's your choice to take a bad decision and you are still free,no one force you to take the bad decision.

I just learned that topics can get locked for talking about Covid. And there’s only one thread to talk about covid which is here….l…….uh….why

fyi, (more for the kiddies) this has now been declared a super thread.

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/taking-off-the-mask-made-me-play-like-a-boss?page=2#last_comment

harder to track fear mongering and conspiracy theories otherwise

Right. We don’t want the speds spreading their opinionated facts proved by “science”in the forums.

And its not a staff posted thread either?
But - it seems to be well enough 'moderated' whether that refers to chess.com moderators or to the original poster who is not a moderator.

As to other forums getting locked for talking about Covid - 
I imagine if Covid is mentioned or discussed peripherally enough there - such forums would still survive.
So far - I have not heard of any 'Edict' that there can only be one Covid forum.
But perhaps one has to get permission to open a Covid forum. 

*sigh*

I can’t talk about eating microscopically limbed ball thingys?

That forum is locked. 

oh no, that's just the 2nd page

You're right.  I edited.
That forum is locked though.

It survived for 7 hours and 22 posts.  Locked under an hour ago it seems.

Produce your source, or retract the hearsay, your choice.

https://www.juritravail.com/Actualite/licenciement-pour-non-vaccination-ou-absence-de-pass-vaccinal-tout-savoir/Id/364824#comment-suspendre-contrat-salari-qui-a-pas-pass-vaccinal

https://lecourrierdesstrateges.fr/2022/02/08/olivier-veran-reconnait-enfin-lexistence-deffets-secondaires-graves-lies-a-la-vaccination/

“We based on a percentage which is that of the ANSM, on average 24% of the side effects observed are serious. What do we mean by serious: death, life-threatening, hospitalization, a severe condition that will burden your daily life for several weeks or months – officially the figure given to us by the ANSM is about 30,000 people reported side effects, but when we know that only 10 to 15% of side effects are reported to the authorities, it is in reality probably more than 300,000 people who are concerned”

https://absolutecompanion.com/adverse-rx-side-effects/

(That's not just the COVID vaccine, but it's just logical for all drugs).

You're going to find a way to disprove what I say and I won't be able to complain, because I cannot prove it, however:

1) It's totally illogical if all of the adverse effects are disclosed, and attributed to the specific drug/vaccine

2) Even if the number isn't quite accurate, the point is that not all side effects are disclosed

First this is in France and not in the USA or Canada.

Second it say no one can be fired if they do not have the pass even if it's required by the job you have.

Licenciement pour refus de vaccination obligatoire, est-ce possible ?

✅ Non, un employeur ne peut pas licencier un salarié qui refuse de se faire vacciner, même s'il fait partie d'une profession soumise à l'obligation vaccinale.

Third there is the justification for some peoples to have a pass or to lose their contracts and  it's common sense to be remove from those jobs because of the risk of spreading the virus:

Cette obligation pour les salariés s'applique lorsque la gravité des risques de contamination, en lien avec l'exercice des activités qui y sont pratiquées, le justifie au regard notamment de la densité de population observée ou prévue.

And there are exceptions like if you show a negative PCR test.

Yes it's very well know that many peoples are allergic to for example 

Symptoms include flushing, itchy rashes (hives), blocked and runny nose and asthma (sometimes severe), usually within an hour of taking a tablet. If you have hives (urticaria), nasal polyps or asthma, your risk of aspirin allergy is 10-30% compared to 1% in people without these conditions.

I am sure these two countries have different cases, but my point is that refusing a vaccine shouldn't be at the cost of one's job. Even without valid justification, being scared of side-effects is enough, it's the guy's opinion afterall, and if we want to dig deep into side-effects, that is also possible.

2. Suspension du contrat en cas d'absence de pass vaccinal
En cas de non-présentation du pass vaccinal (refus de présentation ou pass vaccinal non valide), l'employeur doit notifier au salarié, par tout moyen le jour même, la suspension de son contrat ou de ses fonctions.

En effet, le salarié qui ne présente pas le pass vaccinal obligatoire à son employeur, ne peut plus exercer son activité tant qu'il ne fournit pas les justificatifs valides.

💡 A savoir :

La suspension du contrat de travail ou des fonctions entraîne également la suspension de la rémunération. Le salarié n'est donc pas payé et ne peut pas travailler en attendant la régularisation de sa situation.

En revanche, si l'employeur est d'accord, le salarié peut utiliser ses jours de congés payés ou ses jours de repos (RTT...) pour éviter la suspension de son contrat et l'absence de rémunération.

"Un test PCR ou antigénique négatif n'est donc plus accepté."

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Les employeurs doivent donc demander à leurs salariés de leur présenter leur pass vaccinal valide, c'est-à-dire :

un justificatif de statut vaccinal complet ;
un certificat de rétablissement pour les personnes ayant déjà contracté le virus. Il est actuellement valable pendant 6 mois mais, à partir du 15 février 2022, il sera valide seulement pendant 4 mois ;
un certificat de contre-indication à la vaccination."

" Dans les entreprises de 50 salariés et plus, l'employeur doit informer le comité social et économique (CSE), sans délai et par tout moyen, des mesures de contrôle du pass vaccinal et/ou de l'obligation vaccinale, qu'il doit mettre en place."

Translated:

2. Suspension of the contract in the event of absence of a vaccination pass
In the event of non-presentation of the vaccination pass (refusal of presentation or invalid vaccination pass), the employer must notify the employee, by any means on the same day, of the suspension of his contract or his functions.

Indeed, the employee who does not present the mandatory vaccination pass to his employer, can no longer exercise his activity as long as he does not provide valid supporting documents.

💡 Namely:

The suspension of the employment contract or functions also entails the suspension of remuneration. The employee is therefore not paid and cannot work while waiting for the regularization of his situation.

On the other hand, if the employer agrees, the employee can use his days of paid leave or his days of rest (RTT...) to avoid the suspension of his contract and the absence of remuneration.

"A negative PCR or antigen test is therefore no longer accepted."

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Employers must therefore ask their employees to show them their valid vaccination pass, i.e.:

proof of complete vaccination status;
a certificate of recovery for people who have already contracted the virus. It is currently valid for 6 months but, from February 15, 2022, it will only be valid for 4 months;
a certificate of contraindication to vaccination."

"In companies with 50 or more employees, the employer must inform the social and economic committee (CSE), without delay and by any means, of the measures to control the vaccination pass and/or the vaccination obligation, that he must put in place."

How is this related, I'm just saying all side-effects aren't disclosed.