Covid-19 Discussion (moderated)

"Relying on single person accounts and expertise, then dismissing the consensus of the much larger group of individuals that don't agree, seems like confirmation bias."

Most of these people have conflicts of interest though. Not saying there is evidence of corruption, nor am I accusing anyone but is it really as trustworthy as someone like this?

"As for the vaccination question...well, the mortality rate was 3% sometime before the vaccines...this point seems like you are saying that since the vaccines work so well at preventing fatalities, we don't need them anymore  ."

"The question of flu vs. Covid is easy.  Covid is new and more deadly.  Later variants will dilute, much like Omicron, becoming more transmissible, but less deadly.  Viruses evolve to survive...so viruses mutate over time to spread more efficiently and not kill their hosts.  In that sense, Covid-19 is a "failed" virus compared to the flu strains."

Yeah well, why keep vaccination campaigns and mandates if the virus has that low of a mortality rate? Even if it was due to vaccination, as long as it achieved its goal, why keep going? Plus it's as you said kind of because of omicron being less deadly and most people having caught COVID before. And therefore, the mortality rate going down is not only due to vaccination but to numerous factors. 

And btw, for the death rate, I think it's calculated by deaths/cases * 100, correct me if I'm wrong. But don't you have to catch COVID in the first place? If you get the jab, you've got it, but if you don't get the jab, it doesn't mean you're going to catch COVID.

As for the incidence rate, I can make my research about it but that's what Cotton said after checking the reports apparently. Will try taking a deeper look though.

I also found this here: https://phmpt.org/pfizers-documents/

https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf

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"As shown in Figure 1, the System Organ Classes (SOCs) that contained the greatest number
(≥2%) of events, in the overall dataset, were General disorders and administration site
conditions (51,335 AEs), Nervous system disorders (25,957), Musculoskeletal and
connective tissue disorders (17,283), Gastrointestinal disorders (14,096), Skin and
subcutaneous tissue disorders (8,476), Respiratory, thoracic, and mediastinal disorders
(8,848), Infections and infestations (4,610), Injury, poisoning, and procedural complications
(5,590), and Investigations (3,693)."

About adverse events, maybe not quite what she was referring to but that's there.

Mandates are being cut back, as warranted.  Vaccinations cannot, because (in the US) about 35% of the population still isn't vaccinated, and that does not tell the whole story either, because in California 70% are vaccinated, but in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, it's 50%-55%.

Mandates are being cut back. That's good. 
They can't stop vaccination. That's true, and again I fully support one's choice to get vaccinated.

But the french health minister said that the nurses who refused to get the jab won't get their job back,

I'm sure many others are going to struggle with this.

I'm betting with the polarization of society that is taking place that there will soon be clinics staffed by the people you are worried about, taking care of other people that don't want to follow mainstream medicine, kind of like a lite version of Christian Scientists.

    The FDA is authorizing a 2nd booster for people 50 + up......that would be me.                                                                                              https://www.yahoo.com/news/fda-oks-another-pfizer-moderna-143955079.html  

Maybe eventually - Covid booster shots will just be part of flu shots -
and there'll be new improved 'flu shots' available every six months. 

    If you received the J & J vaccine,....here's what you need to know now.                                 https://www.yahoo.com/news/received-j-j-covid-19-164935517.html 

I had the sickness and plenty of Pfizer shots. I should be good for a while.

We went maskless in open areas last week.  My kid contracted it (verified via ART only) but has quickly recovered. Now my other kid and I feel sick.  Haven't fallen ill in 3 years now.  We're all on Pfizer with booster on the 3rd jab. Oh well...

I had Omicron (probably)  too. Yay!

This is the problem with letting 35% of the people run around unvaccinated.  Viruses mutate towards their evolutionary goals...maximum spread, minimum host killing.  So it will dilute slowly over time, and *eventually* (not now, naysayers) will become like the flu without lots of variants that are non-lethal.  But it never had to be this way, and humanity could have avoided this outcome.

In future, lockdowns and preventative measures will need to be faster and much more strongly enforced.  More pandemics at 8 billion people are inevitable...and at 10 billion plus it only gets worse.  People have proven they cannot be responsible enough to look out for themselves or their fellow human beings.

"People have proven they cannot be responsible enough to look out for themselves or their fellow human beings."
Yes.  Correct.  But if there was another pandemic 5 years from now - it might be worse as far as getting cooperation on masks and vaccinations is concerned.
The major reaction could be: 
"Hey we did that before and we don't want to do that again!"

Are these things about logic?  Usually not.
Is it more important to Not wear a mask or to Not get/spread the disease ?
For so very very many - the former.   
Enormously 'subjectively important' to Not wear the mask.
And to Not do anything to fight the disease. 
Including to Not vaccinate.
And politicians and quack gurus know it.  

   Well I got my 2nd booster yesterday...Moderna. It wasn't as bad as the 1st one but it still knocked me out for 24 hrs.....just very tired.                                         Figures...... the day after I get my shot, Yahoo comes up with THIS.....................https://www.yahoo.com/news/second-booster-shot-epidemiologist-scoured-121543624.html   

https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiMTkzYjlkMjktZThkMi00NDFiLWE1NzUtNjhjN2UzYmVjOGM4IiwidCI6IjIwNTk5OGJhLWVkZjAtNDFlZi1iMzZjLTU2NWVkNjMxZGM5YyJ9

Numbers in France from drees

79% of people between age 0-19 are unvaccinated but only 66% of the COVID cases in this age group are unvaccinated (negative efficacity of -113%), only 69% hospitalized (-81% efficacity), 64% in ICU (-124% efficacity) and only 49% who died are unvaccinated so -306%. I guess for the last one, it's because vulnerable people have gotten the jab, hence the high death rate compared to unvaccinated, but even then, it means that the vaccine wasn't enough to save their lives, and that only about 15 unvaccinated people between 0-19 have died of COVID in France out of about 2M cases, so basically no one.

Sustained ability to pass the disease. If not vaccinated.
Including by any age group.

Vaccination promotes the immune system to kill the Covid virus.
Killing it - would include killing it earlier and having the antibodies in place.
So vaccination isn't just relevant to Covid deaths.
And not just relevant to Covid hospitalizations.
And not just relevant to an ethos of getting vaccinated to promote same - where not getting vaccinated could/would have an opposite effect and ethos.
Vaccination is also relevant to arguably the most important aspect of Covid.
Contagion.  Plague.  Epidemic.  Pandemic. 
Worldwide deaths of millions.  By contagion.  'Spreading'.  
How do you spread the disease (including if you're a child with no symptoms) if vaccination has caused your immune system to get a big head start on having antibodies and killing the virus faster instead of slower?
It is not complicated.
Perhaps whoever will try to argue that 'faster' doesn't matter.
Or that water isn't wet.  

Country

Doses Injected

Fully vaccinated

% of the population

South Korea 

121M
 44.5M
86%
Germany
172M
63.2M
76.0%
Australia
56.8M
21.4M
83.3%
Japan
263M
101M
80.2%
Vietnam
203M
77.8M
79.9%

Yes, well, having high vaccination rates is clearly helping reduce contagion...

Australia has done over ten times as well as the USA regarding keeping Covid deaths per million down.
So has South Korea.
Why?
The short version is that they've tried much harder.
Another reason: 
A much weaker Disinformation effort in those countries.
Those countries don't have a Mercola or a Raoult.

So your logic, having high vaccination rates lower the deaths related to the virus because it reduces contagion, but the vaccine isn't actually reducing contagion (the pic I just showed), but it's reducing the number of deaths. 

I can't really cope anymore.