Covid-19 Discussion (moderated)

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RonaldJosephCote

    If you delete in THIS thread, I will ask Staff to block you. This is not a kids thread. frustrated.png

DiogenesDue
RonaldJosephCote wrote:

    If you delete in THIS thread, I will ask Staff to block you. This is not a kids thread. 

Give the man his chance, it's a clean slate here (mostly...obviously I do use my knowledge of posters' histories to help me decide to take action sooner vs. later, etc. but everyone gets a chance to discuss the topic).

Ugh.  Well, here's a good example of the problem of habitually deleting posts...now it looks like RJC was talking to Chamo or Playerafar instead of GhostofNinja.

DiogenesDue
Ghost_of_Ninja wrote:

I hope you’ve figured out by now I don’t post anything I don’t believe is true. People are free to disagree with my opinions, but getting bent and threatening blocking for deleting old posts is a new one to me. 
As for Covid:  I honestly do not know what to believe at this point. I simply know that everyone around me who died, they were all unvaccinated. 

I've never doubted that you generally believe your posts to be true.

DiogenesDue
Ghost_of_Ninja wrote:

So, is Covid over, or does society still need to take precautions?

Definitely not over.  There are still 400 people dying every day in the US, for example.

DiogenesDue
Ghost_of_Ninja wrote:

What precautions should people take at this point?  Masking? Social distancing? Avoiding gatherings? I don’t know anyone who is still doing those things, and none of the businesses around here require it. Looking at Worldometer just now, there are still a large number of cases, and I can’t make heads nor tails of any real pattern, except high population density is a factor … We spent a year living in our motorhome ratholed away from everyone and everything. I have neighbors, friends, and family who are dead from Covid. I know people who still think it was a conspiracy. At some point we have to go back to living. This, it is way outside of my wheelhouse. 

It depends on your locale.  I am triple-vaccinated right now, and I still wear a mask when I go into a crowded grocery store, etc. but outdoors there's no mask mandate anymore.  A breakthrough infection once vaccinated is unlikely to kill you, but that doesn't mean it won't damage your lungs et al, so it's just practical...if you see a concentration of people that makes you go "hmmm", I would mask up.  Also check your state's deaths/1M pop...if your state is <2000, that's pretty good.  If your state is close to 4,000 and/or has a low vaccination rate, I would be a lot more wary.

Over 500 million total infections now worldwide since it started.  Over 40 million active cases right now.

playerafar
RonaldJosephCote wrote:

    If you delete in THIS thread, I will ask Staff to block you. This is not a kids thread. 

Opening posters cannot 'delete' other people's posts in this thread.
Nor can other posters in the thread - unless they're Staff.
And Staff doesn't usually block anybody for forum purposes.

They can lock a thread - or mute a member throughout the website.
In which case all of that member's posts and PM's and forums where he or she is the opening poster disappear until he/she is un-muted.
They can delete an entire thread too. Or a post or word.
Regarding whether an opening poster can delete an entire thread (cannot delete individual posts by other members) - that varies I believe.  
To do so - the opening poster simply deletes the first post.
Post 1.  But he/she can only do that if the 'x' button is there.

DreamscapeHorizons

Toire
btickler wrote:

 

  Also check your state's deaths/1M pop...if your state is <2000, that's pretty good.  If your state is close to 4,000 and/or has a low vaccination rate, I would be a lot more wary.

Over 500 million total infections now worldwide since it started.  Over 40 million active cases right now.

By my reckoning there are only 8 out of 50 States with less than 2000 deaths/million population...

RonaldJosephCote

    Please don't tell me what you think you know about the forums playerafar. I've forgotten more about the forums than you know.                                                                    This comes directly from his doctor, and he doesn't know if its true or untrue.....meh.png   He's not gonna function any better in THIS thread then he did in other threads.  This thread is heavely monitored by Staff to deter from mis-truths in the medical profession. Its that way because this is the 4th variant of the original thread...."Is It Safe To Go Back To Tournaments Yet". If any doctor gives you medical advice and you're not sure if you should believe it.......  then you should not post it period.             I have no problem with the medical advice that was given by Ninja's doctor. What I don't like is his phrase....."IDK if its true or untrue".  surprise.png       Imagine that.    A man in his mid-50's talking to HIS doctor.....not some quack on T.V.  After 2 yrs of THIS pandemic, HE'S not sure who or what to believe! angry.png  Yeah, we need a lot more of that in all the forum threads.

chamo2074

This is utterly confusing why are posts being deleted? This person seems strange kind of.

Anyway, @btickler wrote: 

"That article is woefully out of date.  We now know that surface transmission is lower than initially though, and airborne transmission is higher.  There's no guarantee of 6m being safe, nor has there ever been such a guarantee.  We now know that airborne transmission in indoor areas with poor ventilation or recycled air is more likely.  Masks protect others more than they protect the wearer...and since so many other people are not vaccinating and not wearing masks, vaccination is indicated.

https://www.cdc.gov/socialmedia/syndication/405380/404364.html

There are 45 pages of new and updated articles from the CDC at the above link, going back to January 2021.  Using a March 2020 article is not going to be nearly as accurate."

Yeah well, I guess articles that date from back then shouldn't really be found on the first page of the google search. But anyway, I confess the wording "won't catch the virus" was wrong. But let's be fair, the point in that argument stands: Let's say somebody is vaccinated, is wearing a mask, people around them are wearing a mask, and distancing is respected. You mentioned in your post airbone transmission was higher if the room isn't well ventilated. But the guidelines I referenced do mention ventilation. Isn't the risk of catching COVID quite low to a point where one shouldn't really be worried if a minority of colleagues are unvaccinated at the workplace? Especially that in that same page (179), the fear of side-effects from the vaccine was called "irrational fear" when 0.02% have either died or gotten an extremely severe/life-threatening condition, so 2 every 10 000 doses, which isn't negligible, at all. 

Plus you also mentioned mortality caused by vaccination as a real comparison to COVID death risks which, as I underlined, was really low for the population of under 20s. I have some statistics, I'll need to make some extra research possibly to make an overall decent post.

 

chamo2074
RonaldJosephCote wrote:

    Please don't tell me what you think you know about the forums playerafar. I've forgotten more about the forums than you know.                                                                    This comes directly from his doctor, and he doesn't know if its true or untrue.....   He's not gonna function any better in THIS thread then he did in other threads.  This thread is heavely monitored by Staff to deter from mis-truths in the medical profession. Its that way because this is the 4th variant of the original thread...."Is It Safe To Go Back To Tournaments Yet". If any doctor gives you medical advice and you're not sure if you should believe it.......  then you should not post it period.             I have no problem with the medical advice that was given by Ninja's doctor. What I don't like is his phrase....."IDK if its true or untrue".         Imagine that.    A man in his mid-50's talking to HIS doctor.....not some quack on T.V.  After 2 yrs of THIS pandemic, HE'S not sure who or what to believe!   Yeah, we need a lot more of that in all the forum threads.

Well I wouldn't necessarily blame the guy. He's sharing something that's up for debate: the medical advice also did not recommend "using masks and guidelines because they prevent this exposure and make variants stronger". Though masks and guidelines are recommended everywhere. Just a humble opinion though.

chamo2074
btickler wrote:
Ghost_of_Ninja wrote:

What precautions should people take at this point?  Masking? Social distancing? Avoiding gatherings? I don’t know anyone who is still doing those things, and none of the businesses around here require it. Looking at Worldometer just now, there are still a large number of cases, and I can’t make heads nor tails of any real pattern, except high population density is a factor … We spent a year living in our motorhome ratholed away from everyone and everything. I have neighbors, friends, and family who are dead from Covid. I know people who still think it was a conspiracy. At some point we have to go back to living. This, it is way outside of my wheelhouse. 

It depends on your locale.  I am triple-vaccinated right now, and I still wear a mask when I go into a crowded grocery store, etc. but outdoors there's no mask mandate anymore.  A breakthrough infection once vaccinated is unlikely to kill you, but that doesn't mean it won't damage your lungs et al, so it's just practical...if you see a concentration of people that makes you go "hmmm", I would mask up.  Also check your state's deaths/1M pop...if your state is <2000, that's pretty good.  If your state is close to 4,000 and/or has a low vaccination rate, I would be a lot more wary.

Over 500 million total infections now worldwide since it started.  Over 40 million active cases right now.

By the way, the US has all states on a population of 50+% fully vaccinated (almost)m somehow states are still in the thousands of deaths/million. Australia for instance, still has the cases but deaths have gone down a lot with their 83% fully vaccinated. On the other hand, Senegal, with 90% of the population running around unvaccinated is only at 8 cases per million and about 1.5 deaths per million of the population for the last 28 days, when in those same 28 days Australia was at about 50 000 cases per million. 

Hypothetical justifications? Maybe health measures? Senegal's aren't abnormal in any way https://crisis24.garda.com/alerts/2022/03/senegal-authorities-maintaining-limited-covid-19-related-restrictions-as-of-march-11-update-30.

It's the case for most African countries too. Low vaccination rate, but also a well-controlled epidemic. 

playerafar

"This thread is heavely monitored by Staff to deter from mis-truths in the medical profession."
I would be curious to know more about that 'monitored by Staff'.
And also more about what posts have 'been deleted'.

chamo2074

The posts that got deleted were made by @Ghost_of_Ninja, somebody who apparently has a history of making posts and deleting them after that (most of them get refuted apparently, from the climate change thread).

The thread is not quite monitored by staff I reckon, it's mostly monitored by @btickler as we all know, he's doing a similar job though. The only difference is him not having access to staff extra features like deleting or editing posts. Whether mods check the thread out every now and then, that's a possibility.

 

chamo2074

"As for Covid:  I honestly do not know what to believe at this point. I simply know that everyone around me who died, they were all unvaccinated. "

Well they were mostly all over 50  too were'n they?

DiogenesDue
chamo2074 wrote:

By the way, the US has all states on a population of 50+% fully vaccinated (almost)m somehow states are still in the thousands of deaths/million. Australia for instance, still has the cases but deaths have gone down a lot with their 83% fully vaccinated. On the other hand, Senegal, with 90% of the population running around unvaccinated is only at 8 cases per million and about 1.5 deaths per million of the population for the last 28 days, when in those same 28 days Australia was at about 50 000 cases per million. 

Hypothetical justifications? Maybe health measures? Senegal's aren't abnormal in any way https://crisis24.garda.com/alerts/2022/03/senegal-authorities-maintaining-limited-covid-19-related-restrictions-as-of-march-11-update-30.

It's the case for most African countries too. Low vaccination rate, but also a well-controlled epidemic. 

I take individual countries' reported case rates and deaths with a grain of salt if they are far from the average.  Russia and India, for example, reported almost no cases in the first several months of the pandemic.  That was due to concerted efforts by those governments to suppress the numbers (reported at the time), and when those numbers started to look really absurd next to the numbers from adjacent countries, etc. they eventually had to relent.  This is even easier to do in smaller countries. 

That being said, I have not looked into Senegal, and I like to give the benefit of the doubt...South Korea has some amazing numbers and those are almost certainly due to measures taken.

DiogenesDue
Toire wrote:

By my reckoning there are only 8 out of 50 States with less than 2000 deaths/million population...

Yes.  Is there a nitpick there?  I'm only asking because normally that seems to drive your posts...when you feel something I'm posting is inaccurate.

chamo2074

South Korea has been hitting the biggest number of new daily cases for a few days now. (At least when I checked).

As for Senegal, well I assume by 'smaller country' you meant less developed? Or by surface? This has been a trend for most African countries, but with what you posted, there could be some suspicion.

By the way, @Toire has been deleting posts too? What is going on?

playerafar

There is no rule on the website against deleting posts.
Nor editing posts.
The website provides those buttons so that people can use them.
Posters in this forum are to have authority over other posters' buttons ?  That's a question - and not addressed to anyone in particular.

Regarding posts being renumbered -
a member of chess.com was recently muted site wide.
Which would mean his posts disappear from every forum he's posted in.
Causing renumbering - among other things.
The member name :  @UnclePeet

DiogenesDue
chamo2074 wrote:

South Korea has been hitting the biggest number of new daily cases for a few days now. (At least when I checked).

As for Senegal, well I assume by 'smaller country' you meant less developed? Or by surface? This has been a trend for most African countries, but with what you posted, there could be some suspicion.

By the way, @Toire has been deleting posts too? What is going on?

Either, but I meant smaller in size in this case.

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