Covid-19 Discussion (moderated)

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AlCzervik
IMKeto wrote:
 

What caused those unfortunate deaths was because of a new virus.  A new virus and no immunity = Deaths.  As a virus mutates and people gain immunity the death rate drops.  It is not in a viruses best interest to kill its host.

i get the impression your age is about 15.

read about sars.

your statement about a virus mutating is exactly what happened due to so many refusing the vaccinations. look at herd immunity. not the immunity you purport. it seems you are saying that people will eventually become immune as the virus spreads. 

playerafar
IMKeto wrote:

I just got over covid a few weeks ago.  For me it was like having a mild cold.

There are still a lot of people dying every day from Covid.
And while the death rate among those so afflicted is much lower -
that doesn't mean that getting Covid is some kind of picnic.
It was early complacency about Covid and disinfo and misinfo that caused many needless deaths.  Such negligence is likely to continue.
Although moreso in some countries than in others.

wsswan

Remember the disinfo and misinfo came mostly from 1. WHO  2. China 3. Dr. Fauci

playerafar


I think the Disinfo culprits are led by Dr. Mercola and similiar.
I don't see blaming Fauci.
We're going to disagree Sam.  But that's okay.
In my opinion. happy

wsswan

I am not perfect and your opinion is very valid in this case, so we are closer than you might think.

chamo2074
AlCzervik wrote:
IMKeto wrote:
 

What caused those unfortunate deaths was because of a new virus.  A new virus and no immunity = Deaths.  As a virus mutates and people gain immunity the death rate drops.  It is not in a viruses best interest to kill its host.

i get the impression your age is about 15.

read about sars.

your statement about a virus mutating is exactly what happened due to so many refusing the vaccinations. look at herd immunity. not the immunity you purport. it seems you are saying that people will eventually become immune as the virus spreads. 

Sars disappeared without a vaccine.

playerafar

 

immunity doesn't 'spread'.
Refusing vaccination isn't going to 'spread immunity'.
Refusing vaccination is going to cause 'mutation' ?
This is beginning to look like disinfo/misinfo again.

wsswan

I think I'm okay. Pfizer shots + covid and pneumonia at the same time.

playerafar


You got through all that.  At your age.
Its like - being indestructible.  

wsswan

I had pneumonia and a cold first but tested negative for covid but 6 weeks later the pneumonia came back and I tested positive for covid. The first time I had pneumonia I had German measles at the same time. I was 1 year old. My temperature was 107 degrees F. The doc said I should have died then too.

 

RonaldJosephCote

    Al,....that "long covid" you mentioned has to do with the body's ability to produce sugar....or lack of ability. Covid screws with that. For most healthy people, that may not be a big deal. But if your anywhere on the scale of diabetes......that could be a real problem. surprise

DiogenesDue
chamo2074 wrote:

Sars disappeared without a vaccine.

If by this you mean that it ran it's course as SARS, and then mutated versions of SARS continued on, then yes.  How is this different than Covid?  The mutant strains are a huge percentage of cases now, and I have not seen a news article about the original Covid strain in quite some time.

AlCzervik
wsswan wrote:

Remember the disinfo and misinfo came mostly from 1. WHO  2. China 3. Dr. Fauci

china, yes.

fauci, no

AlCzervik
chamo2074 wrote:
AlCzervik wrote:
IMKeto wrote:
 

What caused those unfortunate deaths was because of a new virus.  A new virus and no immunity = Deaths.  As a virus mutates and people gain immunity the death rate drops.  It is not in a viruses best interest to kill its host.

i get the impression your age is about 15.

read about sars.

your statement about a virus mutating is exactly what happened due to so many refusing the vaccinations. look at herd immunity. not the immunity you purport. it seems you are saying that people will eventually become immune as the virus spreads. 

Sars disappeared without a vaccine.

previous strains, yes. here are two links to info on sars instead of arguing.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7177048/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2636331/

as this all relates to covid19, the herd immunity i mentioned is a real thing. 

IMKeto
wsswan wrote:

I think I'm okay. Pfizer shots + covid and pneumonia at the same time.

I was Pfizered last year.  So i do believe that contributed to my mild symptoms.  That and the fact that i eat well, exercise, take supplements and drink a lot of water.

chamo2074
btickler wrote:
chamo2074 wrote:

Sars disappeared without a vaccine.

If by this you mean that it ran it's course as SARS, and then mutated versions of SARS continued on, then yes.  How is this different than Covid?  The mutant strains are a huge percentage of cases now, and I have not seen a news article about the original Covid strain in quite some time.

1) Isn't this COVID-19 vaccine made of the original strains?

2) Yes, both viruses mutate, does this mean that the current COVID-19 vaccines will achieve herd immunity if X% of the population gets the vaccine?

In fact, even if the answer is yes, how likely is it that enough people actually get the vaccine? Many have been saying it's impossible at this point because so many are refusing it. Is it a realistic goal?

chamo2074
AlCzervik wrote:
chamo2074 wrote:
AlCzervik wrote:
IMKeto wrote:
 

What caused those unfortunate deaths was because of a new virus.  A new virus and no immunity = Deaths.  As a virus mutates and people gain immunity the death rate drops.  It is not in a viruses best interest to kill its host.

i get the impression your age is about 15.

read about sars.

your statement about a virus mutating is exactly what happened due to so many refusing the vaccinations. look at herd immunity. not the immunity you purport. it seems you are saying that people will eventually become immune as the virus spreads. 

Sars disappeared without a vaccine.

previous strains, yes. here are two links to info on sars instead of arguing.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7177048/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2636331/

as this all relates to covid19, the herd immunity i mentioned is a real thing. 

I may be missing the point, but the first article mentions that both SARS and MERS don't have a vaccine currently. None of them mention herd immunity. I would like some explanation.

RonaldJosephCote

               1) Isn't this COVID-19 vaccine made of the original strains?                                                                                                                                                              

chamo2074

This does not respond to my question when the messenger teaches the body to make the pathogen and therefore an immune response, isn't the body making an immune response to the original strains? Wasn't the vaccine made for the original strains?

RonaldJosephCote

....sorry chamo.....I don't have that level of scientific, & medical knowledge.

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