Covid-19 Discussion (moderated)

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DiogenesDue
Morphys-Revenge wrote: 

this would be more meaningful if instead it illustrated the number as a percentage of the population of that country. 

That's why I gave the links to Worldometer and Johns Hopkins...but I knew some people would not click those links, so I posted a cut and paste listing.  The better formatted lists would not cut and paste here without messing up the HTML formatting of the page, so...

Quasimorphy
btickler wrote: 

It's almost like they cannot fathom that they are also real people that can get/spread the virus by shaking hands, etc.

That interview is fairly old.  Things have changed quite a bit since then.  I've heard Trump say that shaking hands may be a custom we should drop even after the coronavirus crisis is over.  

DiogenesDue
Quasimorphy wrote:

That interview is fairly old.  Things have changed quite a bit since then.  I've heard Trump say that shaking hands may be a custom we should drop even after the coronavirus crisis is over.  

Yep, it says that in the article, and Trump is a well known germaphobe...but he still shakes hands and claims he won't wear masks, either purely for appearance's sake, or because he just doesn't know what he is doing, ala being filmed looking directly at the sun during the total eclipse last year and then denying it, or his earlier outbreak-related claims that he never touches his face.  Just a general lack of self-awareness that many people have.  That's not some fatal flaw in and of itself...the key is what happens when the reality is pointed out...some people admit it and move on, and some people just continue to insist on their own reality.

Quasimorphy

And then we have this.  I'm not sure if that's a step in the right direction or not. LOL

https://pluralist.com/chuck-schumer-face-mask/

Wolfbird

467,000 cases in the US., 1.6 million worldwide.  The math is clear. Now, New York is digging mass graves.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52241221

EscherehcsE
Quasimorphy wrote:

And then we have this.  I'm not sure if that's a step in the right direction or not. LOL

https://pluralist.com/chuck-schumer-face-mask/

You wouldn't think this would be necessary, but - How to properly wear a face mask...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzCjaXc8mNo

 

EscherehcsE
Itude wrote:

Good table here explaining the various masks, I cant seem to copy and paste it

Its the latest I can find, updated today

https://www.businessinsider.com/types-of-masks-used-for-coronavirus-outbreak-n95-surgical-2020-3?r=US&IR=T

 

Good table, but it's impossible to get any store-bought mask nowadays. So you make your own, or you buy a homemade mask from someone.

EscherehcsE

N95 masks would be great, but like I said, they are not to be found. Even if I had a supply of them, I'd give them to my local healthcare workers who have to care for the COVID-19 patients. The doctors in my area are having to reuse their N95 masks.

For the general population, the homemade masks are good enough. These masks aren't supposed to protect you from others; They're meant to protect others from yourself, just in case you're infected but still asymptomatic.

DiogenesDue

Any two layers of cotton will do a decent enough job...as pointed out, the masks are to prevent you coughing on anyone else, not to protect you from others' coughing on you.

On the Pluralist articles...I lump them in with The Daily Beast...biased right or left with a penchant for sensationalizing stories found covered elsewhere and then adding their own conclusions/slant to get clicks.

What really bugs me about partisan news taking over is when the same exact story gets titled 2 different ways for the left and right.  News for pure profit is as bad as state run news...nobody gets the truth.  I've seen the same outbreak stories from an AP or Reuters bubble to the top from two different intermediary sources, one with a reactionary left leaning title and one with a reactionary right leaning title, same exact content.  Dividing people makes $$$.

DiogenesDue

US now @ 500,000 cases

Europe @ 820,000 cases

That's over 77% of the confirmed/reported cases worldwide between the two...

Still a number of high population countries with extremely low reported cases.

Khannate1

a round of applause for the germans for their help to so many in this present situation 

 

Marwa2505

Qui s'ennuie ici ??

Marie-AnneLiz
zborg a écrit :

This thread is mindless tripe.  Even the Trolls should be embarrassed.

Have you no shame?

'Liar': Trump Fact-Checked For Dangerous Coronavirus Claims :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_XIF6JARCw

Thee_Ghostess_Lola
Marwa2505 wrote:

Qui s'ennuie ici ??

pas moi...pourquoi ?...qu'est ce qui ne va pas ?

RonaldJosephCote

   Itude..... I think Khannate is refering to this.....                                                https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/world/europe/germany-coronavirus-death-rate.html

DiogenesDue
RonaldJosephCote wrote:

   Itude..... I think Khannate is refering to this.....                                                https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/world/europe/germany-coronavirus-death-rate.html

Germany's response has been entirely proactive.  They started developing a test in mid-January.  They have mobile treatment for people under shelter in place and they had it *before* things could get out of hand.  They put measures in place and their population is actually following them without half the people crying "hoax"...crazy, I know wink.png.

It's a model for how other countries should have handled the pandemic at the government level and at the level of individual citizens.  The numbers from around the world, whether Germany vs. other European countries, California vs. New York, etc. clearly show that the infection rate is significantly reduced by early and effective measures and by the attitudes of those following those measures

DiogenesDue

https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-threatening-one-governments-steadiest-190939208.html

One thing that puzzles me during the outbreak is how entrenched people are in their thinking and their inability to see solutions.  Seattle just packed up their military field hospital due to a lack of patients, and all over the country, hospitals and medical facilities are "ramping up" and then waiting for people to show up via EMTs, etc.  So, when an area is hit lightly, you have a bunch of people twiddling their thumbs, while impacted areas are swamped with patients packed in like sardines, turning these hotspots into petri dishes culturing the virus and knocking out large numbers of medical personnel.

Modify a bunch of CPAP machines, get in a van, and start treating people where they are.  It's not that simple, and yet it is:

https://www.wired.com/story/modified-sleep-apnea-machines-may-ease-the-ventilator-crunch/

The US mail.  They are losing carriers daily, and cannot handle the forced exposure and workload...so why are local junk mailers and coupon packets for services not even running right now addressed to "resident" that make up half the weight they carry still being delivered?

There's no leadership, and no vision...everything runs on inertia with a path of least resistance mindset that produces the absolute minimum of change to address a problem. 

Marie-AnneLiz
Thee_Ghostess_Lola a écrit :
Marwa2505 wrote:

Qui s'ennuie ici ??

pas moi...pourquoi ?...qu'est ce qui ne va pas ?

Tout va bien pour le moment.

Marie-AnneLiz
btickler a écrit :
RonaldJosephCote wrote:

   Itude..... I think Khannate is refering to this.....                                                https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/world/europe/germany-coronavirus-death-rate.html

Germany's response has been entirely proactive.  They started developing a test in mid-January.  They have mobile treatment for people under shelter in place and they had it *before* things could get out of hand.  They put measures in place and their population is actually following them without half the people crying "hoax"...crazy, I know .

It's a model for how other countries should have handled the pandemic at the government level and at the level of individual citizens.  The numbers from around the world, whether Germany vs. other European countries, California vs. New York, etc. clearly show that the infection rate is significantly reduced by early and effective measures and by the attitudes of those following those measures

Germany has a powerful weapon in the battle to contain Covid-19: a wealth of private laboratories that are helping it test more than 50,000 people a day.

The country had already tested about 920,000 people through late March and checked more than 350,000 people in the past week alone.

German health authorities saw in mid-January what was coming and were “maximally prepared” with a plan for the pandemic,

DiogenesDue
Strangemover wrote:

[Political comment removed - David, moderator]

Just wanted to point out that there's been some comments removed in recent pages...please keep trying to watch the purely political stuff.  It's easy to stray into those waters. 

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