Covid-19 Discussion (moderated)

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icrushpunks
More people have died, under Biden than trump. During the Scamdemic.
RonaldJosephCote

  I highly doubt that. meh

JudahMathai9847
Please note, this information was obtained November 23, 2022. The data will, unfortunately, but obviously change in the very near future. Nobody is perfect, both my sources and myself are prone to error. Here are the numbers I found and source for each of those numbers.

Numbers on U.S. Covid deaths during Former President Donald Trump’s term vary slightly, but most of them are at or above 400,000 deaths.

“…the death toll reached 400,000….”
https://khn.org/news/nation-records-400000-covid-deaths-on-last-day-of-donald-trump-presidency/amp/

“…the pandemic’s U.S. death toll has eclipsed 400,000.”
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-pandemics-public-health-coronavirus-pandemic-f6e976f34a6971c889ca8a4c5e1c0068

“402,269 Americans dead…”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-covid-us-death-toll-coronavirus-b1790146.html


There have been a total of 1,000,000+ U.S. deaths from Covid-19.

“As of November 16, 2022, a total of 1,073,115 COVID-19 deaths have been reported in the United States.”
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html


Now I’m not an expert on Algebra 1, but I’m pretty sure the way to get the Biden Covid deaths is to subtract the Trump Covid deaths from the total Covid deaths.
(All numbers are rounded for simplicity’s sake)
Total - Trump’s = Biden’s
1,000,000 - 400,000 = 600,000

Biden’s = 600,000
Trumps’s = 400,000

Biden’s > Trump’s
600,000 > 400,000

Now keep in mind these numbers aren’t exact (I strongly doubt people die in perfect hundred thousands, I rounded the numbers), however I think you get the point.

I wasted too much time on this, I’m going back to playing chess.
RonaldJosephCote

https://www.yahoo.com/news/lasting-legacy-covid-far-platforms-130256930.html

AlCzervik

i just read a post where there was a distinction between "trump covid deaths", and, "biden covid deaths".

stating it as if deaths are based on time in office is worthy of a gut punch. this one data point provides zero substance and reveals nothing aside from preconceptions. 

allow me to remind those that are numb in the mind.

covid hits.

trump says it's a hoax.

says it will go away when the weather gets hot. 

he promotes hydroxychloroquine, a drug that causes one of his maga fans to die. proven to be a fail.

he promoted ivermectin. another drug shown to be a fail. 

 

so, if the only data point morons are looking at is deaths based on who is in office, i would suggest they read more.

 

JudahMathai9847
I know that whoever is in office isn’t what stops or allows diseases to spread. My comment was a response to the previous comments.
Wits-end
AlCzervik wrote:

some 'agencies' questioned deaths, which is awful. just one example: https://climate.law.columbia.edu/content/covid-19-data-misrepresented-florida-governor

wits-end, i think everyone can understand how reports of infection can vary. 

this is different from accurate reporting of deaths. 

for what it's worth, another reason i can't stand desantis is that he home schooled his kids while telling everyone else to send their kids to schools during the pandemic. 

https://twitter.com/dwuhlfelderlaw/status/1429938702088916994

then there is the misrepresentation. 

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/09/ron-desantis-schools-coronavirus-exposure

 

I’m not a supporter of anyone yet, but I do support homeschooling wholeheartedly. 
As for reporting deaths, here an example. Our little hospital sent numerous patients, over the hill to the next county’s hospital. Unfortunately, many died and didn’t make it back home. Since they died in the other county, they were not included in our numbers. So, our neck ‘o the woods looked pretty good. I know it’s difficult to pin them all down, just saying they were never very accurate here. For the deniers, this gave them reason to flout the mandates. Foolishly of course. 

DiogenesDue
JudahMathai9847 wrote:
Please note, this information was obtained November 23, 2022. The data will, unfortunately, but obviously change in the very near future. Nobody is perfect, both my sources and myself are prone to error. Here are the numbers I found and source for each of those numbers.

Numbers on U.S. Covid deaths during Former President Donald Trump’s term vary slightly, but most of them are at or above 400,000 deaths.

“…the death toll reached 400,000….”
https://khn.org/news/nation-records-400000-covid-deaths-on-last-day-of-donald-trump-presidency/amp/

“…the pandemic’s U.S. death toll has eclipsed 400,000.”
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-pandemics-public-health-coronavirus-pandemic-f6e976f34a6971c889ca8a4c5e1c0068

“402,269 Americans dead…”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-covid-us-death-toll-coronavirus-b1790146.html


There have been a total of 1,000,000+ U.S. deaths from Covid-19.

“As of November 16, 2022, a total of 1,073,115 COVID-19 deaths have been reported in the United States.”
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html


Now I’m not an expert on Algebra 1, but I’m pretty sure the way to get the Biden Covid deaths is to subtract the Trump Covid deaths from the total Covid deaths.
(All numbers are rounded for simplicity’s sake)
Total - Trump’s = Biden’s
1,000,000 - 400,000 = 600,000

Biden’s = 600,000
Trumps’s = 400,000

Biden’s > Trump’s
600,000 > 400,000

Now keep in mind these numbers aren’t exact (I strongly doubt people die in perfect hundred thousands, I rounded the numbers), however I think you get the point.

I wasted too much time on this, I’m going back to playing chess.

You did waste your time on this, yes.

JudahMathai9847
I knew it.
AlCzervik

↑ a man with a sense of humor!

AlCzervik
Wits-end wrote:
 

I’m not a supporter of anyone yet, but I do support homeschooling wholeheartedly. 
As for reporting deaths, here an example. Our little hospital sent numerous patients, over the hill to the next county’s hospital. Unfortunately, many died and didn’t make it back home. Since they died in the other county, they were not included in our numbers. So, our neck ‘o the woods looked pretty good. I know it’s difficult to pin them all down, just saying they were never very accurate here. For the deniers, this gave them reason to flout the mandates. Foolishly of course. 

the link on homeschooling was not about homeschooling. it shows the hypocrisy of a governor insisting schools stay open during a pandemic while his children don't attend public schools. 

your example of how the numbers are skewed is, unfortunately, all too true. 

whenever i read/hear of the deniers, i'm reminded of these two incidents. 

1. a guy met me at the golf course for a lesson. at the time i'm being extra careful to not get too close to anyone, and i express to him that's how i'll be. he says, "hey, i'm a marine. i can handle anything. if covid comes near me it'll be scared". i told him he was a moron and i did not complete the lesson. 

2. a golf course owner removed all the rakes at the beginning of the pandemic because we didn't know how it spread. when we were into the summer of 2020, i asked why he still had no rakes for the bunkers. by then there was information it was a respiratory infection. he told me it was for liability reasons, but added, "they said the heat kills covid, so i should have rakes out there". 

as a news junkie, i had to look this up when i got home because i hadn't read it previously. turns out that heat killing covid was something pols pulled straight out of their rear ends. it was then puppetted by some media and then regular joe's like this guy believe it.

RonaldJosephCote

   Doctors in the U.K have been working hard. They may have cracked prostrate cancer. surprise                       https://www.yahoo.com/news/nhs-england-fast-track-prostate-060000228.html

DiogenesDue
NervesofButter wrote:
RonaldJosephCote wrote:

   Doctors in the U.K have been working hard. They may have cracked prostrate cancer.                       https://www.yahoo.com/news/nhs-england-fast-track-prostate-060000228.html

I wouldnt say they have cracked it but its a good start. 

I was expecting a different response to the pun...

RonaldJosephCote

A better name for the latest antivax shockumentary, Died Suddenly, would be Lied Suddenly because it is wall to wall lies," said Susan Oliver, a scientist with a PhD in nanomedicine, in a November 27 tweet.

Excess deaths
"Died Suddenly" aims to link excess deaths during the pandemic to the Covid-19 vaccine                         https://www.yahoo.com/news/died-suddenly-film-amplifies-false-154403218.html

RonaldJosephCote

  I'm not trying to post conspiracy theories,...I'm trying to post info that debunks them.

DiogenesDue
NervesofButter wrote:
btickler wrote:
NervesofButter wrote:
RonaldJosephCote wrote:

   Doctors in the U.K have been working hard. They may have cracked prostrate cancer.                       https://www.yahoo.com/news/nhs-england-fast-track-prostate-060000228.html

I wouldnt say they have cracked it but its a good start. 

I was expecting a different response to the pun...

Oh believe me...I was tempted.  But this whole thread has for the most part been going well and i didnt want to add to the downhill spiral.

Much appreciated happy.png.

RonaldJosephCote

This is not a cure for Alzheimer's...... but it is a drug that slows down the progression of the disease so we can enjoy our loved ones longer. happy                                                                                     https://www.yahoo.com/gma/data-shows-alzheimers-drug-slow-010300428.html

Wits-end
NervesofButter wrote:
RonaldJosephCote wrote:

This is not a cure for Alzheimer's...... but it is a drug that slows down the progression of the disease so we can enjoy our loved ones longer.                                                                                      https://www.yahoo.com/gma/data-shows-alzheimers-drug-slow-010300428.html

I was just reading about that this morning.  It does look promising.  And now for my cynical side to come out.  I honestly dont think we will ever see a cure for any major disease.  There is just to much money in R&D. 

I’m not so sure. The drugs I’ve been prescribed run $6,000.00 per month. Obviously I cannot afford it, so I try to manage my pain in other ways. My friend pays $14,000.00 per month for his prescribed drugs. Our health care system is broken, plain and simple.

Wits-end

Good for you! We don’t put any drug into our body that we haven’t studied ourselves. The same goes for the “natural” stuff too. The simple things like eating right, getting good rest, maintain a proper weight, and reduce as much stress as one can will make a huge positive difference. I’m just now learning how damaging the last one on the list has been over the years. Be well Nerves!

DiogenesDue
NervesofButter wrote:
Story at-a-glance
  • The G20, a group of 19 nations — including the U.S. — plus the European Union, recently held their annual business meeting (B20) in Bali, Indonesia, where they declared that a digital vaccine passport, standardized by the World Health Organization, will be part of international pandemic prevention and response moving forward
  • The rule for standardized international vaccine passports will be introduced as a revision to the international health regulations during the next World Health Assembly in Geneva
  • The G20 recommendations also include the creation of guidelines for a globally coordinated response to crises, “enhanced by a technology-enabled ‘always-on’ global health infrastructure,” and a mutual recognition of COVID-19 vaccines made by G20 members
  • President Biden signed the declaration despite the promises made by his White House COVID-19 Response Team leader, Jeff Zients, who in April 2021 stated, "Let me be clear that the government is not now, nor will we be supporting a system that requires Americans to carry a [vaccination] credential”
  • The fact that the COVID shots do not prevent spread of infection has now been established many times over. This alone proves that vaccine passports are not for the purpose of containing epidemics. An international vaccine passport is the gateway to complete totalitarian control, because the entire control grid around a person gets tied together by it

Story with-a-source would be better happy.png.

Bullet points1-4 may be facts, bullet point 5 is conspiracy fluff.

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