Consensus doesn't mean there aren't naysayers.
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Apr 21, 2020
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#543
Phoenyx75 wrote:
llama44 wrote:
I didn't respond because the tone is silly and I'm too drunk to give it much attention.
Ah, I see. Perhaps you can respond to the article when you sober up a bit.
I doubt that will happen.
Apr 21, 2020
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#544
"Why we believe something is the essence of knowledge."
Our motivations are basically pretty selfish,but when we love other others we can have different motivations.
I want to know everything about this covid-19 in part because i want my family and best friends to stay healthy and happy!
In general I want to understand everything because i'm a very curious person and it make me feel more powerful or more confident about my place in this universe if that make sense.
Of course to understand ourself....that is why i did read my first book in that subject a long time ago...
I did read it 3 times because i did enjoyed it so much 
What about you?
Apr 21, 2020
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#545
Trying to "understand everything" is a means of control. It's an unachievable dream that would let you banish anxiety. To characterize that a thirst for knowledge is perverse.
Apr 21, 2020
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#546
Phoenyx75 wrote:
llama44 wrote:
Consensus doesn't mean there aren't naysayers.
Apparently, it depends on what definition of consensus we're using. I had -thought- that it actually meant that -everyone- agreed. Apparently, that's only one of its definitions. From Merriam Webster:
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Definition of consensus
1a: general agreement : UNANIMITY
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Source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/consensus
They make it sound like general agreement and unanimity are the same. They're not. Unanimity:
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Definition of unanimity
: the quality or state of being unanimous
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Unanimous:
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Definition of unanimous
1: formed with or indicating unanimity : having the agreement and consent of all
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So to avoid confusion, I'll just say that there are a substantial amount of people who disagree that the WHO is the cat's meow. Some of them, such as journalist Iain Davis, present evidence as to why. When decisions the WHO makes affects billons of people, I think it behooves all of us to take a look at who's running it very closely.
FFS I couldn't give less of a sh!t what a dictionary defines a word as.
Concepts are valuable, semantics are just tools.
Apr 21, 2020
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#547
llama44 a écrit :
Trying to "understand everything" is a means of control. It's an unachievable dream that would let you banish anxiety. To characterize that a thirst for knowledge is perverse.
Not if it's to help others
I only have unachievable dreams and fantasies and that make me less sad about this completely crazy and painful world ( i'm not personnaly in pain but i see so many unbearable pain all over this world).
I can enjoy the good side of this life to a point but that become fast very superficial and selfish.giving and helping others is the only real pleasure in this life.
Apr 21, 2020
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#548
Truth is independent of whether or not it helps others. Bringing compassion into the equation is being a salve to your instincts. It's animistic. It goes without saying I don't care what an animals feels about truth.
Apr 21, 2020
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#549
Phoenyx75 wrote:
llama44 wrote:
FFS I couldn't give less of a sh!t what a dictionary defines a word as.
Concepts are valuable, semantics are just tools.
If we don't agree on what a word means, communication breaks down.
My feeling is that if you're so unsure of what a words mean you need to run to a dictionary, then I need to find someone more proficient to talk to.
"A rose by any other name"
Words are unimportant. Concepts are everything. If we don't speak the same language then I don't have time for you.
Apr 21, 2020
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#550
llama44 a écrit :
Truth is independent of whether or not it helps others. Bringing compassion into the equation is being a salve to your instincts. It's animistic. It goes without saying I don't care what an animals feels about truth.
But you are an animal;you must know that right?
Apr 21, 2020
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#551
Phoenyx75 wrote:
llama44 wrote:
Truth is independent of whether or not it helps others. Bringing compassion into the equation is being a salve to your instincts. It's animistic. It goes without saying I don't care what an animals feels about truth.
I agree with your first sentence. Don't really understand what you're trying to say with your second and third sentences. As to your last sentence, it sounds like you're saying that we're not animals. We are though. We're certainly different in some respects than other animals, but we are still animals. Found a little article from The Guardian on the subject:
The human league: what separates us from other animals? | The Guardian
I'm not saying we're not animals, I'm saying "get on my level scrub."
The article is a nice overview, but I feel like the conclusion is a cop out. It falls short.
I'm getting too tired to say much else 
Apr 21, 2020
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#552
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
llama44 a écrit :
Truth is independent of whether or not it helps others. Bringing compassion into the equation is being a salve to your instincts. It's animistic. It goes without saying I don't care what an animals feels about truth.
But you are an animal;you must know that right?
I'm debasing your reasoning by equating it with animals. I'm not arguing humans are not animals, I'm saying you're a slave to your instincts.
Apr 21, 2020
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#553
llama44 a écrit :
Truth is independent of whether or not it helps others. Bringing compassion into the equation is being a salve to your instincts. It's animistic. It goes without saying I don't care what an animals feels about truth.
Emotions are almost everything! the intellect is only the tip of the iceberg.
Apr 21, 2020
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#554
llama44 a écrit :
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
llama44 a écrit :
Truth is independent of whether or not it helps others. Bringing compassion into the equation is being a salve to your instincts. It's animistic. It goes without saying I don't care what an animals feels about truth.
But you are an animal;you must know that right?
I'm debasing your reasoning by equating it with animals. I'm not arguing humans are not animals, I'm saying you're a slave to your instincts.
That make sense!
But since you are under the influence i guess you are too
Apr 21, 2020
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#555
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
llama44 a écrit :
Truth is independent of whether or not it helps others. Bringing compassion into the equation is being a salve to your instincts. It's animistic. It goes without saying I don't care what an animals feels about truth.
Emotions are almost everything! the intellect is only the tip of the iceberg.
My dog, who I genuinely care for, wholeheartedly agrees.
And although I care for him, I don't consider his ruminations on epistemology particularly stimulating.
Apr 21, 2020
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#556
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
llama44 a écrit :
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
llama44 a écrit :
Truth is independent of whether or not it helps others. Bringing compassion into the equation is being a salve to your instincts. It's animistic. It goes without saying I don't care what an animals feels about truth.
But you are an animal;you must know that right?
I'm debasing your reasoning by equating it with animals. I'm not arguing humans are not animals, I'm saying you're a slave to your instincts.
That make sense!
But since you are under the influence i guess you are too lol...
Sure.
I suppose one thing I enjoy about alcohol is telling others what I think about them without worry about appearances.
My whole life I've had the impression that people don't take their beliefs seriously. They're often unsupported and used as both a crutch and a crudgle.
Not that I'm some kind of philosopher, but again, my impression is I tend to take things a little more seriously.
Apr 21, 2020
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#557
And you know, I can devise a lot of fairly devastating arguments against the things I've said.
Why no one says them I don't know.
It's annoying.
Tell me I'm a POS. Carefully, logically, meticulously prove to me why I'm sh!t.
Hell, I can do it. Why can't you? Because you don't care. It's annoying. I'm annoyed.
lol 
Apr 21, 2020
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#558
Phoenyx75 a écrit :
Something tells me we have gone thoroughly off-subject. Maybe we should make a separate thread with these non covid related subjects? I'm just not sure what it should be called, we've covered a fair amount of ground -.-
It's all related!
We know he has a dog that he love dearly.
But he seem to prefer the epistemology discusion.
Honestly i prefer my 2 cats! seriously!
Yes i know i'm missing some deep knowledge....
Apr 21, 2020
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#559
So part of why I'm an *$&#% is I want some banter.
Or maybe I'm drunk and I have no idea what I'm saying.
Sorry for going off topic.
Phoenyx75 wrote:
Something tells me we have gone thoroughly off-subject. Maybe we should make a separate thread with these non covid related subjects? I'm just not sure what it should be called, we've covered a fair amount of ground -.-
Yeah, so ok, I'll stop.
Apr 21, 2020
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#560
llama44 a écrit :
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
llama44 a écrit :
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
llama44 a écrit :
Truth is independent of whether or not it helps others. Bringing compassion into the equation is being a salve to your instincts. It's animistic. It goes without saying I don't care what an animals feels about truth.
But you are an animal;you must know that right?
I'm debasing your reasoning by equating it with animals. I'm not arguing humans are not animals, I'm saying you're a slave to your instincts.
That make sense!
But since you are under the influence i guess you are too lol...
Sure.
I suppose one thing I enjoy about alcohol is telling others what I think about them without worry about appearances.
My whole life I've had the impression that people don't take their beliefs seriously. They're often unsupported and used as both a crutch and a crudgle.
Not that I'm some kind of philosopher, but again, my impression is I tend to take things a little more seriously.
You do not need alcohol! here.
I take everything very seriously but it's not easy to understand the motivations of a lot of peoples....they are programmed with to many bugs....they are completely lost....
"A lie can travel half way around the world. . . " sounds like an insipid excuse to distrust consensus.
My motto isn't a quote. I came up with it myself, and it hits on something deeper. It's a comment on epistemology: what is knowledge, can we have it, and how.
People, in particular ideologues, are too concerned with what people believe. What we believe is decorative. It's unimportant. It lacks substance. Why we believe something is the essence of knowledge.