Covid-19 Discussion (moderated)

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llama44
NobleGopher wrote:

THE US HAS 216,722?! WHAT!

Yeah. A little less than 1 in 1000 people have been confirmed to have it, and of course it will only continue to grow.

That's a lot, but judging from your reacting it may not be as much as you thought?

DiogenesDue
Quasimorphy wrote:

I'll stop now. Don't want to derail the thread.  Carry on.

If by stop you mean about the Trump comments in particular because we're done, okay, cool.  If you mean you're not going to post on the thread anymore, hopefully you will continue to post.

Puppernes
llama44 wrote:
NobleGopher wrote:

THE US HAS 216,722?! WHAT!

Yeah. A little less than 1 in 1000 people have been confirmed to have it, and of course it will only continue to grow.

That's a lot, but judging from your reacting it may not be as much as you thought?

NO! I LIVE THERE!

llama44
btickler wrote:
Quasimorphy wrote:
btickler wrote:
Quasimorphy wrote:

Trump was more proactive than he's given credit for, regardless of what he was saying about the outbreak.  Birx and Fauci were asked about the timeliness of U.S. response a couple of days ago in the task force briefing.  They said something along the lines that the U.S. response was very early.  I'll see if i can track down that portion of the briefing.

 "done by Easter"

I remember on the other thread you sounding certain that Trump was going to drop the restrictions and open the country up on Easter.  Anyone watching the briefings unbiasedly would never have gotten that impression.  It was his hope and always subject to change based on the facts on the ground.  Pitfalls of getting news filtered through crapagands sources, I suppose.

I didn't say he would drop the restrictions by Easter.  In fact, I thought that reality would clearly prevent him from doing so; he would have looked insane at that point.

What I definitely did do was take a certain poster to task for saying Easter would be the turnaround point.  

And I think it's worth noting, even though it's obvious, these kinds of statements hurt people.

Like you, I strongly assumed it wouldn't happen, he was just ad libbing like he always does, but certain people who are in the echo chamber of it's not dangerous, it's just the flu, may have made poor decisions and gotten sick because TV personalities (which includes the president) made flippant statements like this.

llama44
NobleGopher wrote:
llama44 wrote:
NobleGopher wrote:

THE US HAS 216,722?! WHAT!

Yeah. A little less than 1 in 1000 people have been confirmed to have it, and of course it will only continue to grow.

That's a lot, but judging from your reacting it may not be as much as you thought?

NO! I LIVE THERE!

I kind of feel bad.

There were pandemics and other disasters when I was your age (you're 12 right?) but I didn't really know about them. My parents didn't talk about it around me, and there was no internet for me to find out.

But you can go online and listen to adults talk about stuff... and maybe you don't care, but maybe you get scared. At your age, frankly, you lack a lot of things that help people process stuff like this.

Quasimorphy
btickler wrote:
Quasimorphy wrote:

I'll stop now. Don't want to derail the thread.  Carry on.

If by stop you mean about the Trump comments in particular because we're done, okay, cool.  If you mean you're not going to post on the thread anymore, hopefully you will continue to post.

I'll stop with the Trump comments.  I'll post things that I find informational such as epidemic modeling, reports on treatment efficacy, scarf...er...mask recommendations, etc.

The old thread was valuable even with the bickering.

DiogenesDue
NobleGopher wrote:

NO! I LIVE THERE!

I know I said everyone has a blank slate, but some are slightly less blank than others (in other words, I will use my knowledge of various poster's content elsewhere to inform my decisions on this thread faster).  Contribute something beyond one-liners with no real content.  You've posted 3 times now, consider this your 3rd warning wink.png...

DiogenesDue
Quasimorphy wrote:
 

I'll stop with the Trump comments.  I'll post things that I find informational such as epidemic modeling, reports on treatment efficacy, scarf...er...mask recommendations, etc.

The old thread was valuable even with the bickering.

Agreed.

SoupTime4

https://www.yahoo.com/news/verge-massive-collapse-ex-energy-155602853.html

'We are on the verge of a massive collapse': Ex-Energy Secretary Perry says COVID-19 will ravage oil industry.

Perry's concerns appeared prescient Wednesday after the Whiting Petroleum Corporation announced it was filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. In announcing the decision, CEO Bradley Holly cited "the severe downturn in oil and gas prices driven by uncertainty around the duration of the Saudi / Russia oil price war and the COVID-19 pandemic." 

 

SoupTime4
Quasimorphy wrote:
btickler wrote:
Quasimorphy wrote:

I'll stop now. Don't want to derail the thread.  Carry on.

If by stop you mean about the Trump comments in particular because we're done, okay, cool.  If you mean you're not going to post on the thread anymore, hopefully you will continue to post.

I'll stop with the Trump comments.  I'll post things that I find informational such as epidemic modeling, reports on treatment efficacy, scarf...er...mask recommendations, etc.

The old thread was valuable even with the bickering.

Yes it was, but people couldnt control themselves.

llama44

Ok but Rick Perry isn't exactly someone with much knowledge or wisdom. He famously campaigned on the promise of abolishing the department of energy... mostly because he didn't even know what the department of energy did.

DiogenesDue
llama44 wrote:

Ok but Rick Perry isn't exactly someone with much knowledge or wisdom. He famously campaigned on the promise of abolishing the department of energy... mostly because he didn't even know what the department of energy did.

Economic impacts of the outbreak are fair game, just as long as we don't shed the outbreak part entirely.  I'm saying this right up front even though I intend to be more lenient of side topics because this post just provided a handy example...it's purely about Rick Perry once you take away the context of the outbreak's economic impact happy.png.

The post would still be fine if you close the loop and bring it back to the outbreak somehow.

llama44
btickler wrote:
llama44 wrote:

Ok but Rick Perry isn't exactly someone with much knowledge or wisdom. He famously campaigned on the promise of abolishing the department of energy... mostly because he didn't even know what the department of energy did.

Economic impacts of the outbreak are fair game, just as long as we don't shed the outbreak part entirely.  I'm saying this right up front even though I intend to be more lenient of side topics because this post just provided a handy example...it's purely about Rick Perry once you take away the context of the outbreak's economic impact .

I know I tend to go off topic. I'll try to keep that in check.

Quasimorphy

"If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2"

 

That's from an editorial written by Dr. Fauci, his associate at NIAID Dr. Hill, and Dr. Redfield(virologist who is head of the CDC) and published in the New England Journal of Medicine on Feb. 28. Anyone know what the current estimate of the Case Fatality Rate is?  I know the death rate varies a lot depending on location--very bad in Italy, less so in other places.

I've seen video from Equador of bodies being dumped in the street and burned. Large flocks of buzzards circling overhead. It looks horrendous there, but there aren't even a lot of cases from Equador showing up on the sites that track numbers.

 

edit: 3163 cases, 120 deaths in Equador.  Calling more than 3000 cases not a lot causes me to stop and reflect. Sad times, indeed.

 

DiogenesDue
Quasimorphy wrote:

 

I've seen video from Equador of bodies being dumped in the street and burned. Large flocks of buzzards circling overhead. It looks horrendous there, but there aren't even a lot of cases from Equador showing up on the sites that track numbers.

The outbreaks tend to be localized, like those elder care facilities in Washington, so in small communities they overwhelm the local medical staff/coroners/etc. almost immediately.

Quasimorphy
btickler wrote:

The outbreaks tend to be localized, like those elder care facilities in Washington, so in small communities they overwhelm the local medical staff/coroners/etc. almost immediately.

The video I've seen is from Guayaquil, a city of 2 million people.  The authorities there aren't even bothering to dispose of the bodies.  I wonder where on the curve they are there.  I can't imagine things being much better in the other countries of the region even if they may not have gotten that bad yet.

Temperatures have been in the high 80's-low 90's which sort of dampens the hope that warmer weather might slow this thing down.

Quasimorphy

Required masks for the general public, in Texas no less.  I wonder how people there are going to react to that.  

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/490783-residents-in-texas-city-can-face-1000-fine-for-not-wearing-some-form-of

 

Also enacted a curfew.

llama44

I don't think they're as principled as they like to pretend. If the government gives orders that help them they wont have a problem with it.

It's when the government tries to help someone that's not them that they get offended.

llama44

Nonsense.

SoupTime4

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