Covid-19 Discussion (moderated)

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Kingsgam

pardon, but seen very little concerning economics. retired state economist. poor economy = deaths. thus you must make a model that has 2 opposite sloping regression lines that intersect at a sweet spot, least amount of objective negatives for all. in this case deaths caused poor economy vs marginal deaths saved shutdown no other objective way to look at it need other comparative deaths also for perspective only one course suggested to this combat vet

Witkrag

The square of the hypotenuse.is equal to the sum.ofthe squares of the other two sides as well

sndeww
Witkrag wrote:

The square of the hypotenuse.is equal to the sum.ofthe squares of the other two sides as well

The long leg of a 30-60-90 triangle is the square root of 3 of the hypotenuse

DiogenesDue
Kingsgam wrote:

pardon, but seen very little concerning economics. retired state economist. poor economy = deaths. thus you must make a model that has 2 opposite sloping regression lines that intersect at a sweet spot, least amount of objective negatives for all. in this case deaths caused poor economy vs marginal deaths saved shutdown no other objective way to look at it need other comparative deaths also for perspective only one course suggested to this combat vet

By "marginal deaths" saved via shutdown do you mean something like the estimated 36,000 deaths that would not have occurred if the whole country had shut down just one week earlier?

I have yet to see a credible study that shows significant deaths due to the economy/shutdown.  I have seen several attempts to fudge suicide numbers, both by the WH and by our own local naysayers on the forums here...but those have been incredibly easy to debunk.

Kingsgam

you must set the two costs against each other poor economy = deaths this is due to a variety of things. food starvation, poor healthcare, suicides, murders for profit, etc pardon, but to say deaths don't occur due to a poor economy is rather uninformed Not: Debunked

Kingsgam

negative sloping line would be the deaths caused shutdown vs marginal deaths saved shutdown positive sloping line as far as incredibly easy to debunk, would like to see your regression line education/business/stats experience. former nuke team leader, retired state economist, extremely hard to prove a negative poor economy = deaths why the poor die at a higher rate. only makes sense a poorer population would die at higher rate

Kingsgam

dammit Jim, I'm an economist works the other way around for a Dr CDC =/= Economist poor economy = deaths zoom focus distorts the field, basic principle you can't beat the basic laws of economics, no matter how much you focus on Dr have you seen the price of healthcare? not economists

RonaldJosephCote

   Over the weekend I saw a Yahoo story about a woman who went into a Rite Aid pharmacy without a mask. She was thrown out by a few customers with masks. I couldn't help but think what was said about guns last year......"the only thing that stops a bad guy without a mask is a good guy with a mask".  happy.png

DiogenesDue
Kingsgam wrote:

you must set the two costs against each other poor economy = deaths this is due to a variety of things. food starvation, poor healthcare, suicides, murders for profit, etc pardon, but to say deaths don't occur due to a poor economy is rather uninformed Not: Debunked

Except that I didn't say that deaths don't occur due to a poor economy.  I said that there are no credible reports/studies of such deaths coming anywhere close to the actual outbreak casualties, never mind the averted casualties.  

Nuke team leader...not sure what you are actually claiming here.  Were you a rocket jockey?  That would explain the rambling...those guys would go a little nuts after several years working in their spring-balanced capsules...

Kingsgam

except that your logic fails on basic terms you said no deaths due to a poor economy, debunked you said nothing about coming close to the actual outbreak, but you do seem to be getting a clue problems collecting actual death numbers covid19 - not one model has had the two sloping lines intersected you seem to be a drone - former nuke team leader, retired state economist you can ignorantly insult me all you want, that's low IQ observation bias nonsense fixing position, however not subjective poor economy = deaths graph the regression line, if you can ignorant insults don't get it

Kingsgam

former nuke team leader, lost my job international treaty you are correct, you don't get it, low IQ

Kingsgam

you only consider fudged numbers from the WH and naysayers - but you don't consider fudged numbers for the other side worked state DSHS, medical coding for dollars, talk about fudged numbers how old are you, and what is your education level? you seem to be a little crazy, and project nonsense obtusely

Kingsgam

let's see the study 36k deaths saved shut down 1 week earlier. sounds like drone nonsense. that would have been met by the xenophobia and racism propaganda nonsense bootlicker likes so much

Kingsgam

there are not any studies showing deaths poor economy - except for the ones that say it hits minorities harder. why do you think that is? poorer economic standing. NO model has even been 1/2 complete and no model has shown the deaths caused by a poor economy/shutdown going up with higher unemployment length of time as variables why? no perspective for the low IQ drones

Toire

It is fairly certain that there have been deaths directly and indirectly caused by the lockdown, but in the absence of any numbers, the quantity is unknown. The consensus at this point seems to be that the lockdown, in general, saved lives.

History may well have a better appreciation of the true position.

 

DiogenesDue
Kingsgam wrote:

except that your logic fails on basic terms you said no deaths due to a poor economy, debunked you said nothing about coming close to the actual outbreak, but you do seem to be getting a clue problems collecting actual death numbers covid19 - not one model has had the two sloping lines intersected you seem to be a drone - former nuke team leader, retired state economist you can ignorantly insult me all you want, that's low IQ observation bias nonsense fixing position, however not subjective poor economy = deaths graph the regression line, if you can ignorant insults don't get it

Where exactly did I say no deaths due to poor economy?  Quote it.

Kingsgam

where did you say deaths due to a poor economy? quote it let's see your model for the 64K deaths, produce it you seem to have a personality disorder, narcissism rather low IQ

DiogenesDue
Kingsgam wrote:

you only consider fudged numbers from the WH and naysayers - but you don't consider fudged numbers for the other side worked state DSHS, medical coding for dollars, talk about fudged numbers how old are you, and what is your education level? you seem to be a little crazy, and project nonsense obtusely

Believe me, nobody reading these exchanges is coming away with me being the crazy one spouting obtuse nonsense wink.png...

P.S. You misread my post.  I do not "only consider fudged number from the WH and naysayers"...quite the opposite.

Kingsgam

let's see where I am rambling, quote it. former nuke team leader, retired state economist. let's see your model with the two regression lines intersecting. what would be another example of setting costs against each other? you clearly are a low IQ drone, sucking up leftist propaganda as truth. not an economist.

Kingsgam

you can write any observation bias nonsense in your head, but believe me, it is still nonsense quote where you note fudged numbers from the non nay sayers side

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