Covid19 and chess around the World!

I don't think it matters how people get immunity as far as reaching herd immunity. What matters is the difference between organic immunity and artificial immunity The artificial immunity is believed by some to be safer and/or longer lasting. But as was said 9 months ago, herd immunity is coming, vaccine or not. 

That will probably happen quite a few times. They say a vaccine could help with that though. Today our state reported 15% of our vaccine stockpile has been used. Yesterday it was 20%. Which leads me to believe we are getting more vaccine, but using less. Which is odd, since Oregon is one of the states where even dentists can administer the vaccine. We have no shortage of people who can give the shot. I'm wondering if it's a shortage of people who want the shot. 

39 Billion in debt (and growing) for something with a .2 death rate.

We're so ****ed, and we're one of the countries with some of the best prospects for the future and best chances of bouncing back. We have extensive experience of what 'balancing the books' looks like here since 2010, and it isn't exactly pretty.

That's assuming you count every single death of someone who has covid as caused by covid. Which we know is not the case. The people who keep track readily admit many of the deaths have nothing to do with covid, but are counted as covid deaths for other reasons. The issue is how much less than .2 is it actually. 

It does seem likely that the overreaction, monetarily and otherwise, will have severe long term consequences. 

Wrong.

Sadly, people only undestand the severity of covid if it directly affects them or close loved ones. Otherwise they will keep having their heads in the sand.

Most people are so ignorant that they don't know what they are talking about. Covid is real and get real people

Only way to beat the Covid (at the moment) is to maintain safe distance from each other and keep away from the rallies which the political leaders call for, that too without wearing masks!

Some of the so called advanced nations are the worst hit, which itself proves the vast majority from such places don't follow the requirements and are so self centered they want to have parties and gatherings 

I'm not sure how you figure that's wrong. We are already seeing the negative consequences. Businesses gone. Lives ruined. Mental health issues. That's severe consequences. Living under a rock might prevent you from seeing it, but you living under a rock wont prevent everyone else from seeing it. 

Last night we witnessed first hand what I thought would probably happen. Many months ago I figured some people would reach their breaking point before others. In our state, certain counties are under certain restrictions. One county has restaurant restrictions where it's either be closed, or take out only. But we went to a restaurant last night that reached the end of their rope, clearly disregarding the requirement.  They were open and it was SLAMMED. People were craving that, they were extremely supportive of that business, and very grateful that people are finally standing up. You have to look at it from others point of view. When someone gets to the point where they have nothing left to lose, they do things you  might not agree with. The owner can go bankrupt, let all his employees go, or he can open up in defiance. What's the difference? At least this way he has a fighting chance to feed his family. 

When I said there will be consequences, that means there WILL be consequences. 

Brings up the question of: Is the cure worse than the disease? Guess it depends if you suffered from COVID or lost a business you worked hard for years to build?

The same people that stand up in "defiance" are the same people that were running around without masks/social distancing. Who cares? Too bad, you reap what you sow.

Yes, that is a good question. I would say everyone has suffered from covid, in some way. For some people they lost their life savings, for others they lost a family member, for others they lost their way of life. I think everyone has been affected to some degree. 

The most troubling, to me, is the cultural change. Yes, the deaths are tragic, no doubt. But the reality is 5,000 people die every day in the US, covid or not. And covid or not, those lives should be valued and remembered. But that's also something we cannot change. We cannot change the fact people are going to die. Literally, we cannot change that. 

But we can change the cultural shift. We can change the anti social behavior that has become more and more acceptable.  We used to encourage small business. Now we shun them in favor of keeping huge multi billion dollar businesses open.  We used to encourage lawful behavior, now we shun that in favor of criminal activity like arson, vandalism, rioting, and drug abuse. We used to encourage social interaction, now we shun it in favor of keeping people isolated, alone and depressed. 

The most stark example I can think of happened a little over two weeks ago. My neighbor has a beautiful baby boy, about 2 years old. The parents are loving devoted responsible people. But one day a non family member was talking to the parents.  The conversation was jovial and light hearted. The boy became quite disturbed and agitated because the non family member did not have a mask on. He even motioned to put a mask on. The boy was uncomfortable seeing another human face. 

When I say the overreaction to the covid is having long term negative consequences, I think that is a huge understatement. How will this boy deal with society fearing a live human face?

He's overweight, and perhaps has some legitimate concerns. High risk groups certainly should be quarantined whilst the rest of us get on with running things - just as dozens of the top scientists in the country have said.

Peter Hitchens likens it to "finding a wasp's nest in your home and deciding to burn the entire house down". Great quote.

Regarding civil-disobedience, I think the government here have about another 5 or 6 months to prove that these measures are temporary. People were not impressed with how they ran through Christmas regulations without even recalling parliament, for example. They are doing things like this because back benchers are getting an earful. Naturally, a lot of people broke the guidelines.

I didn't of course. Wouldn't dream of it. I'm wearing a mask and gloves right now as I type this.

One of instance should not be generalized. If someone thinks mask is like an undergarment, then it is the responsibility of the parents to educate the child

BTW how is Capitol Hill?  Many don't have masks! 

This is just one example of the anti social behavior that's becoming normal. This child is 2. Reasoning with a 2 year old isn't as easy as you might think. All the child sees is people wearing masks, to the point where someone was NOT wearing one frightened him. People can be imprinted very early on in life. 

If isolation becomes the norm, it will have consequences. There is even speculation right now among scholars and behavior experts that people like Ted Kaczynski developed their anti social behavior after, you guessed it, quarantine. When he was a baby he had an illness that resulted in a 10 day isolation and quarantine. He is said to have never been the same after that. 

Unintended consequences. 

The consequences might be lots of work for psychiatrists later.....quick switch your major/profession.

Yesterday the U.S. had both its highest case count, and highest number of deaths. Today is set to bust that record.

We still have not seen the worst.