Does True Randomness Actually Exist?
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Nov 10, 2022
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Does not Las Vegas thrive and survive on the principle of a variable ratio?
Especially when it comes to slot machines.
However, the "random rules" are created for the house....hence.....the house ALWAYS wins in the end.
Beyond belief. What a complete ...... "doesn't own it"? Doesn't understand it and now never will.
Hello 4 horse men of the argument forums in advance
Nov 10, 2022
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#7
Did you know back in 1744 the United States of America became its own?
Nov 10, 2022
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#8
There are over 6 trillion fish in the Pacific ocean but there were only 3 million in 1950. 83% of them died over the last 30 years and some are blue. 3% were caught or eaten and 26% were hunted as prey. The sky is purple and Albert Einstein was the first person on the moon. absolutely none of that is true, congratulations
Nov 10, 2022
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crystal101250 wrote:
There are over 6 trillion fish in the Pacific ocean but there were only 3 million in 1950. 83% of them died over the last 30 years and some are blue. 3% were caught or eaten and 26% were hunted as prey. The sky is purple and Albert Einstein was the first person on the moon. absolutely none of that is true, congratulations
There are a lot of good fish in the sea.
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Optimissed
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llama36 wrote:Uke8 wrote:Elroch wrote:You need to break causality in order to try to revive determinism. If you do that, there is no order of time, so nothing makes any sense. Far better to accept that determinism is dead in our Universe.
Really? still obfuscating? I’m not mad, I’m just disappointed. think it’s best we separate our own ways.
To be fair, maybe you or optimissed can start your own determinism thread and have everyone follow you there.
Thank you everyone for participating. this thread is officially close.
Be well and keep it real
You could try to say that the randomness of elementary particles doesn't scale up in a meaningful way, and therefore some version of determinism effectively exists.
I don't know the standard arguments for such things, this is just what I tend to think... that at least with free will we probably have a depressingly small amount.
Not sure what the first paragraph meant.
With more free will, survival chances of individuals would be drastically lessened. So, for that matter, would survival chances of all. We do have just about enough free will to survive and it definitely isn't evenly distributed. We all tend to think we have more than we think, because we often see habits as choice where they are more often strongly conditioned. At any time, by an effort of will, it's possible for anyone to be self-determining. Unfortunately that shows sometimes in extreme, anti-social behaviour or suicide. Or basically any act which is seen as badly motivated and crazy.
Also those who find i difficult to find this thread can come here and use the link kindly provided by Elroch, to find it, which I transpose here for the convenience of all.
Elroch
14 hrs ago
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#4269
llama36 wrote: Oh, calling it a random walk, that's a good observation... and of course an infinite random walk will visit all states... including all heads and all tails
Well, you will get all possible finite sequences with probability 1 (i.e. probability zero that even one of the infinite number of them is missing).
You will also visit every possible difference in the numbers of heads and tails with probability 1.
But there is also probability 0 of getting an infinite sequence of heads or tails, so that has probability 0 in, a countable sample of infinite sequences too. (Thus, you'd certainly need an uncountable number of tries).
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Oh I need to redo the link, I think, for it to work. But it doesn't matter because it was just a random joke.
Nov 11, 2022
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Yes, I think putting a link here to this thread may not be all that necessary!
Nov 11, 2022
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#16
lolmastrr102 wrote:
Did you know back in 1744 the United States of America became its own?
I didn't - because that isn't true!
The American War of Independence didn't start until 1775, with the famous "Boston Tea Party" two years earlier.
Today, 108 years ago, World War I ended, the war in which nearly a million Brits died (more than twice the number that died in WW2) from a total population of about 19 million.
[ statistically If you throw a dice 12 million times it will fall 2m times on each # right? so how exactly is this random? wouldn't you expect a random spread? - Ukey8 ]
so i did the 12MM die roll thingy and got this:
(the first return just means that thats how many times the tally of all six outcomes were the same during those 12MM rolls...which seems like alot to me - but ok...)
*** Tr#1
7263 times all the same
Counter({'4': 2001031, '5': 2000902, 'Snake Eyeball': 2000568,
'3': 1999637, '6': 1999152, '2': 1998710})
40 seconds
*** Tr#2
5688 times all the same
Counter({'5': 2000682, '6': 2000178, 'Snake Eyeball': 2000074,
'2': 1999942, '4': 1999778, '3': 1999346})
40 seconds
***Tr#3
8273 times all the same
Counter({'Snake Eyeball': 2001854, '3': 2000342, '2': 2000111,
'5': 2000054, '4': 1999491, '6': 1998148})
40 seconds
***Tr#4
554 times all the same
Counter({'Snake Eyeball': 2002561, '4': 2000597, '5': 1999578,
'3': 1999529, '6': 1998880, '2': 1998855})
42 seconds
***Tr#5
5183 times all the same
Counter({'4': 2002311, '2': 2000708, '6': 2000068, '3': 1999803,
'5': 1998737, 'Snake Eyeball': 1998373})
40 seconds
btw, im not blocked over at Ukeys string. i can still post my nonsense trials lol !
Forum created because of blocked discussion in the previous forum. @Uke8 does not "own" this subject!
Enjoy!