Does True Randomness Actually Exist?

Forum created because of blocked discussion in the previous forum. @Uke8 does not "own" this subject!

Enjoy!

Congratulations @MiaomiaoAlexH on being the first poster.

Does not Las Vegas thrive and survive on the principle of a variable ratio? 

Especially when it comes to slot machines. 

However, the "random rules" are created for the house....hence.....the house ALWAYS wins in the end. 

There are over 6 trillion fish in the Pacific ocean but there were only 3 million in 1950. 83% of them died over the last 30 years and some are blue. 3% were caught or eaten and 26% were hunted as prey. The sky is purple and Albert Einstein was the first person on the moon. absolutely none of that is true, congratulations

you have experienced true randomness for the first time

No. Just unobservability.

There are a lot of good fish in the sea.

Yes, I think putting a link here to this thread may not be all that necessary!

It exists. End of discussion.

I didn't - because that isn't true!

The American War of Independence didn't start until 1775, with the famous "Boston Tea Party" two years earlier.

Today, 108 years ago, World War I ended, the war in which nearly a million Brits died (more than twice the number that died in WW2) from a total population of about 19 million.

[ statistically If you throw a dice 12 million times it will fall 2m times on each # right? so how exactly is this random? wouldn't you expect a random spread? - Ukey8 ]

so i did the 12MM die roll thingy and got this:

(the first return just means that thats how many times the tally of all six outcomes were the same during those 12MM rolls...which seems like alot to me - but ok...)

*** Tr#1

7263 times all the same
Counter({'4': 2001031, '5': 2000902, 'Snake Eyeball': 2000568,

     '3': 1999637, '6': 1999152, '2': 1998710})
40 seconds

*** Tr#2

5688 times all the same
Counter({'5': 2000682, '6': 2000178, 'Snake Eyeball': 2000074,

     '2': 1999942, '4': 1999778, '3': 1999346})
40 seconds

***Tr#3
8273 times all the same
Counter({'Snake Eyeball': 2001854, '3': 2000342, '2': 2000111,

     '5': 2000054, '4': 1999491, '6': 1998148})
40 seconds

***Tr#4
554 times all the same
Counter({'Snake Eyeball': 2002561, '4': 2000597, '5': 1999578,

     '3': 1999529, '6': 1998880, '2': 1998855})
42 seconds

***Tr#5
5183 times all the same

Counter({'4': 2002311, '2': 2000708, '6': 2000068, '3': 1999803,

     '5': 1998737, 'Snake Eyeball': 1998373})
40 seconds

btw, im not blocked over at Ukeys string. i can still post my nonsense trials lol !

Your trials were not nonsense. They were merely random.

Where does random derive?

 Heliocentric theory perhaps?

Is that not the end all be all of randomness? 

Where does random derive?

maybe consciousness ?...not sure. maybe its justa figment of our commingled brains lol !

figment of the imagination................ is where heliocentric theory derived................ and shall forever reside. 

The question of where quantum randomness arises is rather deep.  We can imagine there is some place - necessarily outside of space and time - from where the randomness arises. We could also imagine that it has no source, it just is. But these are very obscure philosophical questions.

For many sorts of commonplace randomness, we can see where the randomness arises. But it pretty much any physical system, QM is at the bottom,

Eg a great source of randomness is to apply a digital-analog convertor to a very precise thermometer and observe thermal noise. The least significant bit of the temperature will be very random.  Doing similarly with many physical observations will also work. Eg radio noise from the Sun. Or the Cosmic Microwave Background. All have very pure noise in their fine-scale variation.