Does True Randomness Actually Exist?

heres one. ice cream cone for anyone.

what flavor?

they all taste the same our brains trick us to taste differently

chocolate is chocolate vanilla is vanilla strawberries ARE UPHORIA

Salted caramel is salted caramel.

And a scoop of dog poop on a cone looks enticing but smells appalling!

At some point reality catches up with you.

profound is what anyone finds and discovers unfound.

Even then this is not random it was inspired by determined events that happened to you...

hey noodles2112 you might be interested in "an extraordinary life" by asia... i know you said your brother passed and this song about john wettons health was played at his funeral and helped me

not necessarily because while you could put it "their whole life has led up to this moment" that doesn't mean every specific event was chosen

No. Free will is not the opposite of random. Just because you have a choice at some point of decision to do this or that, that's just a decision. If your decision to do this or that is based on indecision and basically a coin toss, an element of randomness has been introduced, but only for a moment. Then a new status quo exists and we go from there.

i would say random free will, anybody else thinking of freewill by rush? (this one forum has more rush references than any other thing ive posted on...)

No. True randomness does not exist. However what we call randomness is something incredibly hard to predict. At least that's my belief. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Chaos theory and chaotic equations to me are fascinating. I get the nagging feeling that if we truly understood stochastics we could tackle things such as the origins of life.

Trying to address the salient points of the last 30 pages (it shan’t take long):

There’s a John Brown museum in Harpers Ferry that I enjoyed the one time I was there.

I once lost $400 at the Pai Gow table - a random game if there ever were one - and the hostess visited me a lot. I rarely drink, so she plied me with Perrier, although after about 4 hours I broke down and got a Bud Lite. It didn’t help.

And I almost never gamble. I was out in Vegas for some CME love and I wanted to take in the experience. Vegas is everything wrong with America: tasteless, tacky, materialistic, capitalistic in its worst sense, vulgar, etc. I loved every minute.

The Pelagio has a Degas exhibit which we loved. Cirque de Soliel was also worth every penny of the $400 more we dropped on tickets.

I think that covered everything.

So, opinion?

that doesn't seem to be the case with everyone.

the universe as we know it follows many rules. water is heavier than air. rock is heavier than water. thus we see gravity affect them as such. the pattern continues creating infinite layers in order of weight. so as we can see the properties of a substance determines how it behaves. this means we can predict how things work. obviously creating patterns rather than randomness. despite what the religious would like us to think, the universe naturally produces patterns in everything.

now id like to discuss something tasty. something very interesting. humans. human beings themselves are incapable of creating randomness. we are logic based creatures. which means we are filled to the brim with pattern seeking. everything we create is going to suffer from this. which leads into my next point:

finally id like to talk about computers. lets say you make a computer program to roll a dice. each output has an equal probability. its random to the human mind sure, but true randomness might mean the probably for each output is also random. oook so how does one go about fixing this? your funny. you cant.

so i hope that answers your question. no, true randomness does not exist. btw i have no idea what im talking about and just needed something for my brain to do

i dont think randomness is impossible necessarily. though to give an actual answer we'd first have to get a definition. what exactly is "random"? my definition (if not obvious) was something without patterns in it. this i do think is impossible. though not for any serious reason. i am VERY open to having my mind changed on this matter.

i have not read what has been posted in this thread. i just thought typing my thoughts for a moment would be enjoyable. and indeed it was. always nice to talk to myself for a moment

Randomness is the degree to which something is unknown. True randomness is the degree to which it is unknowable.

Modern physics is absolutely clear that there are some combinations of information that are unknowable - eg the simultaneous location and momentum of an electron. To understand that assertion, take a course on quantum mechanics.

look at what i’ve found.. lol. projection at its best..

‘elroch (to noodles): It is not your lack of insight that is unforgiveable, it is your arrogant refusal to make it possible to fix this. I understand that this would be too costly to your ego and you need to psychologically protect yourself.’

im not exactly willing to learn an entire field of science to answer a question i have mild interest in. though it is nice to receive an answer far better than mine, and get directions on where to go.

id just like some slight clarification. your saying at the quantum level there are indeed events that are unpredictable? incalculatable? idk if you can answer this in layman terms but... how? in order for that to happen there would need to be no inputs. surely there isnt anything that works that way right?