Does True Randomness Actually Exist?

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noodles2112

Opt - don't you know by now sports are controlled like everything else? 

Elroch

I also explicitly thought during the game about the possibility that the referee had been bribed. His bias was shockingly bad.

Elroch

Anyhow, I will preserve @ARGENTINA_go_home_fifaaaa's forecasts here (so there can be no claims they were edited after the fact. wink.png Posted after the first success - four to go.
(This is on topic as it is about the element of randomness in football results).

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

...last time i looked it did

noodles2112

Addendum to my #20 post.

The Randomness of "Gravitation"! https://odysee.com/@EricDubay:c/The-Mystery-of-Gravitationgrin.png  9-minutes

 

 

Ellem27
No true randomness can be created by a humans brain. You cannot create true randomness. Some people get confused and say randomness mean’s there is no pattern, but what randomness really means is the there is no guaranteed pattern. There is randomness almost everywhere but you’re brain cannot comprehend true randomness.
noodles2112

Ellem27 - most live their lives believing aliens exist on some distant "planet" light years away. What is more random then that? 

The reason for that................ is the religion they believe in................................. and know it not...............................................................Heliocentrism!............................... Which has been ingrained in their brain since birth. 

Ask anyone you know what heliocentrism is ...........and they will say.................................................................................."I don't know!?".......................................................................................... Yet they believe it...........Period! 

Ellem27
@noodles2112 that is not random, that is belief. Wether it is true or not, it is believed because of culture (Wich should not be discussed) , the people surrounding you, and how your brain interprets that information. Distant life is as random as an apple.
Ellem27
Just so you know
noodles2112

Ellem27 - If you say so wink.png

Are peoples thoughts random? 

Ellem27
No
Elroch

They have an element of randomness. Randomness is about incomplete information, not a lack of any information.

hrarray
Isn’t entropy random or something
Sticklight0609

probability question
I'm pretty sure it does 
https://www.askamathematician.com/2009/12/q-do-physicists-really-believe-in-true-randomness/
https://medium.com/illumination/does-true-randomness-exist-5d2fc7f413dd 
https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/is-anything-truly-random/
so according to physics it does, but according to philosophy it doesn't? 

noodles2112

What about a variable ratio......is not that how slot machines function and thus so many get addicted? 

Gomer_Pyle

If the exact state of every energy/particle in the universe were known at any given instance, could it be possible to simulate all future events with a sufficiently powerful simulator? Granted that both a universal state and the simulator would be slightly difficult to obtain, but could it be done? The seemingly random creation and destruction of subatomic particles might be perfectly predictable if we knew the strength of each of the fields at any particular point in space-time. We already create rudimentary simulations for weather and such. Could the same be done for the universe as a whole?

It seems logical to me that the creation, existence, and destruction of entities (matter or energy) would be perfectly predictable, including the results of a slot machine. It would be inevitable based on the initial state of the simulator. Where my brain gets a kink is when I try to imagine how my thoughts at seeing a leaf fall from a tree and drift in the wind could be predicted. My logic says it is all predictable because the chemicals in my brain, the tree, leaf, light, and everything else has been moving toward that moment for millennia. The rest of me isn't convinced.

I don't want to join in on all the back-and-forth that's been going on but I'd like to hear thoughts on this idea. I know it's impossible for us to know the exact state of everything. I know it's impossible for us to simulate anything to the degree required. This is just a what-if-we-could scenario.

Gomer_Pyle

Thanks for your input. I think the universe would make a good model. The simulator would have to be more powerful to predict the future before reality caught up. Most of my thoughts regarding this depend on there being something much greater in scope than our universe. I think that's the only way our reality could be simulated/predicted. We may be just too small a piece of the machinery to come up with a comprehensive model of our own universe.

Jalex13

Is true exist actually random?

Jalex13

Indeed it is..haha

Jalex13
Optimissed wrote:

You may go to the top of the class.

Sorry but my brain is experiencing quite the lot of technical difficulties comprehending! Now I’m thinking about what I said earlier and can’t even figure out what it means. Oh well.