Does True Randomness Actually Exist?

sundials only work on a flat & stationary earth

yes, the earth IS flat & still...for nearly all intents & purposes. and who needs to be exactly on time anywayz ? ...within 5 minutes is almost ALWAYS good enough.

i went to beijing & saw the drum & bell tower (n'da hutong quarter). they say china kept time using a water clock. and then they banged the drum or rung the bell every hour...depending. they were doing that for like 700-800 yrs. and then they got ridda that in abt 1926. rolex came out in 1926...so there u go lol !

a/o know why they split their time up in 24-hr increes ? not sure if they did 60 mins to the hr back then.

Sundials actually depend on a spherical, rotating Earth.

Sundials work because of the Earth's axial tilt and rotation. The shadow cast by the gnomon (the stick) moves as the Earth rotates, and the design of the sundial takes into account:

- The latitude of the location.
- The tilt of the Earth’s axis (23.5°).
- The curved shape of the Earth.

In fact, the classic equatorial sundial only makes sense on a round, rotating Earth. Its gnomon is aligned parallel to Earth’s axis — that’s how it maintains accuracy throughout the year.

If the Earth were flat and stationary, sundials would behave identically everywhere. They don’t.

- Sundials in the Northern Hemisphere have gnomons that point north.
- In the Southern Hemisphere, they point south.
- Near the equator, they are often horizontal or aligned with local meridians.

Try using the same sundial in both hemispheres without adjusting for Earth’s curvature...it won’t work properly. That's because the angle of the gnomon must match the latitude to correctly project solar time. A flat, stationary Earth doesn’t account for why noon (sun directly overhead) happens at different times in different places, as well.

This claim confuses “simple tool = simple physics” with “simple tool = proves a debunked cosmology.” It’s nonsense. Sundials rely on a rotating sphere. Their behavior across latitudes is a direct confirmation of that, not a contradiction. But thanks for bringing up sundials, a tool that proves flat-earthers to be wrong.

that is incorrect - sundials only work with the sun traversing over a stationary flat/level plane earth -

the idea that a sundial would work on a spinning blasting into oblivion ball earth is ludicrous !

What you mean is that the idea is way beyond your understanding. It is an idea for brains other than yours: knowledge of basic geometry is required.

true randomness does exist 🍓

To demonstrate the second half of this claim you would need to find a flat and stationary Earth (since there is no chance of you trying to show it with mathematics). The first half (the "only") is falsified by all sundials on Earth.

Of course, as well as moving relative to various astronomical objects, the Earth rotates. This is a form of motion that is not relative. It is the motion which has most influence on what we see.

if the earth is spinning 1047mph at the equator all the way down to zero mph at both axis points while also traveling around the sun 93 million miles plus/minus distant accelerating/decelerating from approximately 67,000mph simultaneously blasting around a galaxy approximately 500,000mph as well as zipping through a universe between 300,000 - 1.35 million mph and then to top all that off - traveling at lightening speed 186,000 miles per second along with a big bang - sundials would not even have been invented much less human existence !

my understanding of heliocentric theory is much better than most heliocentric/globe earth believers !

Randomness, oh boy. True, true randomness might not exist. But, before all that, we need to define it. First, what is randomness? Is it the chances you'll get ill, or how area is in a dot? This is randomness, not pure, but it is random. (Even the dot ones.) I am still thinking. i will continue

Nevertheless, bringing up various relative velocities does not change the facts/results. Your implication is that since everything moves, we'd all be dead because we cannot withstand the forces of the various (and competing) accelerations...this argument is simplistic and false. You don't understand relative velocities, nor gravity. We've (and by we, I mean lots of well-educated posters over time) already been down this road with you before.

you are speaking theoretically - nothing more !

oodles ? ...those ppl are always tryn2take the hi-road by dissing s/o being practical. funny how their theory doesnt help them much in their own life ? ...s/o elses maybe...

...and funny how weve used sundials for yrs & yrs & yrs & no one who didnt wanna be late ?...probly wasnt cuzza a sundial lol ! (plz no clouds plz no clouds...)

AND from where THEY are? they couldnt figure out if the earth was flat OR round w/out s/o telling them so !

2+2=4 is "theoretical" in your use of the word.

And I can assure you that 2 apples and 2 apples makes 4 apples.

That's how the theoretical applies to reality.

He simply doesn't understand relative velocities.

This is despite very simple things like the fact that you don't have an problem walking down the aisle of a plane just because it's moving at 600 mph. And there is no reason there should be any more problem if it is going East at the equator, so is moving in a circle at around 1600 mph.

When Noodles is riding an elevator, he knows he is safe because if the elevator falls, he can just do a little hop before impact and he will be fine (having no connection to the velocity of the elevator anymore)...so that's a plus, in his universe.

"Randomness" is unknown information. "True randomness" would be unknowable information.

why not apply randomness in your own LIFE - and see what randomness applies - see what transpires - then go out and experience the natural world all around you - and then see if that theoretical world applies ???????????????????////