Does True Randomness Actually Exist?

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Incidentally, if we decided to think that the intrinsic property of an unstable particle is such that it contains within it, as it were, its time of annihilation, then we would be reverting to account of Determinism.

But instead, we may consider the nature of such a particle to be that it intrinsically contains the real probability that it will annihilate at any or every given time. Then, if that probability is a real probability .... then it's real probability and not determinism.

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Thanks for your input. I think the universe would make a good model. The simulator would have to be more powerful to predict the future before reality caught up. Most of my thoughts regarding this depend on there being something much greater in scope than our universe. I think that's the only way our reality could be simulated/predicted. We may be just too small a piece of the machinery to come up with a comprehensive model of our own universe.

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My own thoughts are that the universe is all. There need be no other power. Logically, there IS nothing else.

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Is true exist actually random?

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yes. that's just another way of saying the same thing, believe it or not.

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Indeed it is..haha

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You may go to the top of the class.

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For the rest of the day.

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Optimissed wrote:

You may go to the top of the class.

Sorry but my brain is experiencing quite the lot of technical difficulties comprehending! Now I’m thinking about what I said earlier and can’t even figure out what it means. Oh well. 

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It's intuitive rather than logical.

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It's also logical, I suppose, because they're equivalencies. Randomness is within the set of real things doesn't normally imply that reality is within the set of random things. But if they're full equivalencies, then best not to think about it too much.

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I guess I don't really have an opinion whether the universe is all there is or if there is more. I just have to imagine there is more to try wrap my head around simulating it. If being completely predictable means all my thoughts and emotions have been predetermined that's OK. If I'm just a virtual character in a actual simulation I'm still OK with that. I perceive my thoughts to be independent and spontaneous so that's my actual reality.

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Like some others, I define the universe as "all there is". It's always been taken to mean that anyway. uni-verse ..... everything in one. One verse, even. Saves all sorts of pointlessness over considering whether there can be anything more powerful than everything.

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Incidentally, I believe in magic. That is, minds can directly affect reality and also read it directly, under some circumstances. Naturally it isn't a very popular idea with some types of people.

Some see it as superstitious but I tend to think the idea that our minds CANNOT do that as more like superstitious belief than the converse. The most important argument is that many people have direct experience of it. It seems rather ludicrous that those having NOT experienced it can believe strongly that those having experienced it are subject to confirmation bias. Everything being equal, the converse is far more likely to be the case.

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Yeah, universe may mean all there is but I look at it as "all we can detect" or "all our best math indicates". I don't see why imaging something more is any more pointless than most other philosophical questions that can't be definitively answered.

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Some people do have the idea of the visible universe as their main idea of the universe. We know that there's more that we can't detect so it doesn't seem to me to be consistent to have the idea that the universe is just what we can detect. Likewise, there are things happening right in front of our noses that we can't detect and we call that part of the universe.

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Actually the idea of magic, that was mentioned before, fits right in to that. Because, of course, many people, who reject it as superstition, certainly don't hold it as part of the universe; and that's because they can't detect it. So it's consistent.

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I think this is a philosophical question…do humans have true freewill? Or is our life determined by a mix of genetics and environment? (Think nature vs nurture)

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Honestly questioning if randomness exists is just a waste of our times. Even if “true randomness” exists or not it wouldn’t change much considering “randomness” exists