Does True Randomness Actually Exist?

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Elroch
noodles2112 wrote:

Thanks. Just wanted to confirm it's all theoretical.

However, another balloon satellite in the news.

Not a satellite, any more than a tape measure is a laser measuring device.

So now people are wondering why they claim to have satellites in "outer space" if they require helium balloons to keep them up in the air???

Nonsensical pretext at end of last sentence.

noodles2112

Not when one discovers that NASA is the largest consumer of helium on the face of the earth. 

Then it becomes extremely relevant and sensical. 

DiogenesDue
noodles2112 wrote:

Not when one discovers that NASA is the largest consumer of helium on the face of the earth. 

Then it becomes extremely relevant and sensical. 

Lol.  So, this vast worldwide conspiracy has kept the "flat earth" a secret for generations, but the helium smoking gun that proves the sky is held up by scaffolding and repairmen use helium balloons to repair it (I mean, it's really obvious when you come right out and say it) is right there, according to you.  So essentially, what you are saying is that flat earthers are dumb as rocks...which jives with most people's assessment, but for different reasons wink.png.

Elroch

Now _that's_ random.

Elroch
noodles2112 wrote:

Not when one discovers that NASA is the largest consumer of helium on the face of the earth. 

Then it becomes extremely relevant and sensical. 

No.

Near Earth satellites move at around 5 miles per second relative to the ground (this in not seriously arguable as they can be easily tracked from multiple points on the ground).

To do this they have to be in space far enough from Earth to have a very tiny density of molecules (eg 10^12 kg/cubic meter at the height of the ISS - around 408 km).

  • No balloons can get within hundreds of miles of this region (they need a reasonable density of air to provide adequate bouyancy)
  • Also balloons do not move at 5 miles per second

Please acknowledge you accept the latter points.

Elroch
Optimissed wrote:
noodles2112 wrote:

Thanks. Just wanted to confirm it's all theoretical.

However, another balloon satellite in the news. So now people are wondering why they claim to have satellites in "outer space" if they require helium balloons to keep them up in the air???

Inner space. Just more people who don't know what words mean.

I had to check this definition.

Outer space - the physical universe beyond the earth's atmosphere.

So it comes down to whether you count the near vacuum where near Earth satellites orbit as part of the Earth's atmosphere. While the boundary is rather arbitrary, there is an accepted cut-off called the Karman Line at 100 km altitude, at which height the atmosphere is very tenuous. It is a lot nearer a vacuum at 408 km (where ISS orbits).

Elroch

As I was reading I found the fact that the ISS orbits in what is technically called the thermosphere. About a trillionth of atmospheric pressure and (the name is the clue) very hot.

But the difficulty of drawing a line is made clear by the fact that by a similar criterion all of the Solar System is in the Sun's atmosphere. happy.png

noodles2112

Can anyone prove they have 1000's of satellites in so-called outer space? And please don't post a link to a plethora of NASA cartoon animations of satellites wink.png

Elroch

It's like airplanes. You can't prove they can fly to someone whose mind is not able to cope with the possibility.

However, it is so simple to confirm that the ISS orbits the Earth at 5 miles per second (and has done so for 20 years) that it is pathological not to accept such a simple fact. Of course, understanding this makes it not so surprising that there are thousands of other satellites.

It is of course absurd to believe that 44 countries have spent billions of dollars pretending to launch satellites. The simpler truth is that some people are just, to be blunt, too stupid to accept the fact. [This is not a rash conclusion - it is reached after them ignoring all of the evidence repeatedly].

Elroch

Like for the thermosphere, the Solar atmosphere is very hot. Likewise the solar wind (around 1 million Kelvin).  Expertise beyond mine is needed to explain that.

Elroch

Yes, there are charged particles and magnetic fields. It's the details that are more complex.

noodles2112

The ISS and the so-called space walks have been shown to be a charade via using NASA's own official footages. I am surprised you still believe in such fantastical nonsense. And where is your proof of satellites. You are once again comparing them to airplanes like you did with the a blasting into oblivion ball earth. 

That is NOT science. That is something called cognitive dissonance/confirmation bias. 

You are putting the horse before the cart and claiming that is proof the cart actually pulls the horse. 

One cannot feel the plane travel at 500 mph, therefore, one cannot feel the earth spin at 1000 mph nor feel it travel at 67,000 mph etc. etc. etc. 

That is NOT science. That is called pseudoscience. 

The fact remains heliocentrism has Never been proven. It is simply a generally accepted theory. That is why believers in heliocentrism perpetually(infinitelywink.png) debate theories with theories. 

noodles2112

What was the only alternative Optimissed? 

noodles2112

I see. So where does electromagnetism derive/reside? 

noodles2112

The sun is alleged to be 93 million miles away. How is that possible? Or is that just another heliocentric theory?

Elroch
noodles2112 wrote:

The sun is alleged to be 93 million miles away. How is that possible? Or is that just another heliocentric theory?

It is impossible for you to comprehend that. It is also impossible for you to comprehend that the second nearest star (after the Sun) is nearly 300,000 times further, that the Andromeda galaxy is the best part of another million times further, and that there are galaxies thousands of times further.

The other direction, down through cells to molecules and atoms to particles is also impossible for you to understand. You should just deny the world's existence, as revenge for it being so big and small.

Festerthetester
noodles2112 wrote:

The ISS and the so-called space walks have been shown to be a charade via using NASA's own official footages. I am surprised you still believe in such fantastical nonsense. And where is your proof of satellites. You are once again comparing them to airplanes like you did with the a blasting into oblivion ball earth. 

That is NOT science. That is something called cognitive dissonance/confirmation bias. 

You are putting the horse before the cart and claiming that is proof the cart actually pulls the horse. 

One cannot feel the plane travel at 500 mph, therefore, one cannot feel the earth spin at 1000 mph nor feel it travel at 67,000 mph etc. etc. etc. 

That is NOT science. That is called pseudoscience. 

The fact remains heliocentrism has Never been proven. It is simply a generally accepted theory. That is why believers in heliocentrism perpetually(infinitely) debate theories with theories. 

It's also only a theory that you have a funtioning brain inside your head and the only way to prove it would be to crack open your skull and take a look.  I for one would pay to witness that but I'd be afraid I'd get sucked in by the vacuum.

Festerthetester
noodles2112 wrote:

Can anyone prove they have 1000's of satellites in so-called outer space? And please don't post a link to a plethora of NASA cartoon animations of satellites

How would you explain things like GPS on your cell phone without satellites?

How about 'Google Earth'?  Ever use it?  It seems there's a camera up there no?  If there's one there might be more than one?  Are you capable of reasoning anything at all?

Elroch

It's impressive how Google Earth can even see the fence.

noodles2112
If the earth is a globe why was it necessary for PBS to use CGI to fake the curvature of the earth?