Does True Randomness Actually Exist?

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noodles2112 wrote:

I suppose so -

I can take a bowling ball - drop it from a certain height - and it will hit the ground at the same time every time - anyone can replicate the experiment as many times as they like & achieve the same results - can attribute it to "gravity" via the "scientific method" -

Similarly , can do the same with shooting a cannon ball from a cannon etc. !

In my opinion, the bowling ball will hit the ground slightly later, if there is a horizontal wind in any direction. The faster the wind, the longer it should take to hit the deck. That ignores turbulence effects and just takes air resistance into account. But what if there's a sudden updraught?

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Optimissed - yes indeed - wind/turbulence would/could be a factor outside - but not inside e.g. down an elevator shaft of a 100 story skyscraper.

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Noodle just literally ignores questions he can't answer. What even is the point you're trying to make? That yes there is a force that brings the balls back down to earth but you just have a problem calling it gravity because the wittle mean old scientists named it that?

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The time taken inside such a shaft will vary microscopically according to the Earth's position wrt the sun, alignments of planets etc. The thing that will affect the time of the drop most, in that circumstance, is air temp. & humidity.

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OTEH18 - what question(s)?

Optimissed - I haven't seen anyone drop bowling balls down 100 story elevator shafts - thought one could control temp/humidity indoors.

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How about the question in MY VERY LATEST POST. What is your actual point?

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Do you think the force of gravity doesn't exist? Do you just not like calling it gravity? You give these vague incomplete answers so you can feel comfortable being "critical" of things without being clear about what you really believe.

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My point has never deviated - "appeal to authority" !

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What is your exact belief of gravity?

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MIT professor explained "scientifically" how electromagnetism trumps "gravity" by a factor of 10 to the 36th - referring to the electromagnetic earth.

I think there is more than one "gravity" explanation scientists use.

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noodles2112 wrote:

My point has never deviated - "appeal to authority" !

For instance, if things are attracted downwards, what causes it?

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noodles2112 wrote:

OTEH18 - what question(s)?

Optimissed - I haven't seen anyone drop bowling balls down 100 story elevator shafts - thought one could control temp/humidity indoors.

Not perfectly. Doing so will cause draughts too.

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So once again there's actually nothing to critique, you just want to feel special because you're the one "questioning things". Yes, scientists don't exactly know /why/ or /how/ gravity works, but it certainly does work. It certainly is a force in some sense or another. Are you in denial of that? If yes, delusion, if no, you agree with the scientific consensus (authority).

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One explanation for "downward" attraction I find interesting is electromagnetic force -

everything is basically electric/electrostatic +/- and the earth being electromagnetic +/- everything/objects "seeking equilibrium" .

e.g. Noble Gasses in the atmosphere ranging higher/lower .

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OTEH18 - did you look at the varying "gravities" like big G & little g etc.

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Have you done those calculations yourself or are you trusting someone else?

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Big G" is the universal gravitational constant, while "little g" is the local acceleration due to gravity, such as on Earth's surface. Just another random "critique" where you don't even understand what you're critiquing.

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I have simply done a lot of research into alt-theories/explanations -

Newton was deep into the occult/Kabbalah and many believe that is where he retrieved his ideas for "gravity" - the tree of life. He may or may not have been a Freemason but certainly was involved with them.

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And there it is, your ABSURD confirmation bias and conspiracy theory based on religion. I am so so so thankful that the majority of our society doesn't think like you.

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OTEH18 - Gravity is the "god" of heliocentrism - so in that respect/context - heliocentrism is a religion - heliocentrism is permeated with mythological/pagan/occult gods/goddesses - how can you not see that !?