Does True Randomness Actually Exist?

Reads a little like "Mommy they're picking on me".

@btickler and I rarely agree on anything unless the opportunity arises.  That's where you come in.

I had a warning a week ago so I'm being careful. I think they turned the filters up to a higher setting ..... 11/10.

My wife told me yesterday that on msn, you can't even mention the drawer that people traditionally keep things for the future in. She also told me that "American" is a euphemism for "mentally ill", which sounds to me rather harsh. I told her off for that, but gently.

Decorum is actually what I maintain and Optimissed frequently loses.

British vocabulary and/or upbringing does not define decorum, or taste.  It doesn't take much to dispel that notion.

It's just mainly about not being sly and unpleasant all the time.

An excellent standard for you to strive for.  Tally-ho!

TR is proportional to the optimism in eacha us...saying that the randomness thingy isnt objective. itsa extension of our own consciousness...and a good excuse for ppl who needa reason for not getting a/t done in life.   lol !

Festerthetester - you lack understanding. Heliocentrism was derived via imagination first and foremost then the math was made to fit with those imaginations. It really is very simple yet appears too complex for you to grasp. 

If you say that you look up and observe the sun 400 times larger than the moon you are not only a liar but beyond imbecilic!

Looking up at the sun might be where your problems began ...

Here's a little sight test for you.  Hold your arm outstretched and extend your thumb.  Now place that thumb in the same sight path as a person a hundred feet away.  Do you notice your thumb just grew to six feet tall or did the person shrink to the size of your thumb.

What don't you understand about perspective?

Perhaps if you could put aside your belief that the sun and moon are the same distance from the earth it may become clearer.

For a longer lesson try reading about celestial navigation, a method of finding the way of travelling around the world that has been successfully used for hundreds of years.  Now tell me how that could be on your domed flat earth.  It might take some time.  I can wait.

Note that heliocentrism is NOT a hypothesis that was verified. It is a CONCLUSION. The scientific hypothesis that became a theory (i.e. established as true) when tested was Newton's Law of Gravitation. A very simple, very general law expressed in one simple equation - the gravitational force law.

Assuming this law, observations of the movement of planets made it possible to INFER the facts that the planets all orbit the Sun and that moons orbit planets (just one for Earth, but now 92 known moons for Jupiter. Wow). Given the mass and instantaneous velocity for all the bodies (inferred from the observations), the entire movement of every object in the Solar System for the future comes from that single equation of Newton's. And here it is for noodles:

Not bad for a 300 year old theory with one small equation

[Footnote - for precision over long periods, a small correction due to relativistic effects needs to be made for the sole case of Mercury].

Noodles has been persuaded by some kind of extreme, religious interpretation, according to the links he posted earlier, which I wouldn't want to repost here. It's difficult to reclaim people who have been grabbed by religious cultists and of course, impossible on this site in a public forum. I probably shouldn't even mention it but it does provide a reason for what we see.

Seriously?  For noodles?  Did you just meet him?  Are you not aware he has a sign on his brain that says exit only?  You are not going to convince him even that there is no dome much less anything as complicated as gravity.

And his reply to me, as usual, will be a claim that I am the one who is deluded.

Well, you already know Newton's law of gravitation!

noodles has a fatally flawed understanding of the process by which we gain knowledge of the real world. It is true the only beneficiaries of explaining this are others - he is incurable.

I just looked at my finger and it subtends the same angle as a house across the street. You seem to have no understanding of a very simple fact.

https://www.google.com/search?q=subtend

Simple. Just look at the where these navigations departed and the destinations and apply those to the flat earth map. One can easily circumnavigate the entire face of the earth east/west but not north/south. That is why international flight never traverses over the alleged Antarctic continent despite it being the shortest flight path in the southern hemisphere. Globe apologists erroneously claim the reason for this is that it is too cold to fly over yet at the same time claim people travel etc. there all the time. That is just one of the numerous contradictions globe apologists must adhere to in order to believe in the spinning space ball.

As far as perception goes, that is one law that globe apologists must also ignore. 

Simply look at the clouds in the sky. Those just above and those far away in the distance. Does not the clouds in the distance appear to be level with the horizon? Yes they do. Why is that? According to globe believers that is due to the curvature and not perception for if they admit that is due to perception than they must also understand the locale sun/moon must also adhere to the same principle i.e. the law of perception. 

Heliocentrism throws the law of perception out the window, for they must do that in order to negate what we all see every singly day. 

Go back to the doors in a long hallway or street posts. the doors/posts are exactly the same height/size yet those further away from the observer appear to get smaller. Is that due to some curvature in the hallway or the street? Of course not. That is due to the law of perspective. 

You cannot have it both ways and claim the law of perspective ONLY works with doors in a hallway or with street posts/lights. It also works with planes, clouds the sun/moon/stars etc. 

That is why globe believers have a difficult time with FE is because they do not understand the law of perspective. They will often say ridiculous things like "if the earth were flat one could see Hawaii from California or Japan" or "if the earth be flat then the sun would light up the entire earth 24/7" and of course we have the ultimate globe belief of "the reason ships disappear is because they sink under/over the curvature of the earth. That "Juvenile Logic" simply does not work and shows that one simply does not understand the law of perspective or they simply choose to ignore it or both. 

I don't understand how a wave function can collapse, for the maths holds relatively sound for measuring and prediction.  Is it really the case that it's based on some kind of subjectivity? That's appears to me to be bunkum. I apologize to those for whom these things are well trodden cattle paths but they are completely new to me.

Elroch -with the scientific technology you and many others are so proud of, I ask you, why have they not used it to put an end to this controversial subject? 

The reason is simple. They can't. 

Why not just show the sun as it appears and then slowly zoom in with a telescope/telescopic camera with a special lens that buffers the light? People do that with the stars/planets all the time? 

Try and locate that little super simple experiment/test and see what you can find. I cannot locate that simple test anywhere. 

That would end the debate right there and prove beyond any doubt that the sun is not close but many millions of miles away.

How did heliocentric scientists come to their "understanding" of how far the sun/moon stars/planets are from earth?

Obviously not through observations because one does not observe trillions of miles/light years away, nor does one observe a sun 400 times larger than the moon or a rotating moon etc. etc. so they had to use another method i.e. Imagination must have come first. There is no other way. 

There are numerous simple ways NASA/Gov't could end the controversy once and for all. They don't do it because they can't do it. It's that simple!

Dear Noodles,

Considering the things you base your beliefs on it is clear that no matter what anyone offers as proof will simply be ignored by you.  You have made these same claims repeatedly in every thread in every club and all have been explained to you based on simple logic as well as scientific proofs.

You continually claim that no one can offer proof of a global earth for example yet you know they have and often.  You simply choose to ignore it, move on to another place, and start over.

You will never have what you claim to want:  Someone to agree with you.

You have the firm belief that everything in life is a lie designed by some small group of people for a purpose even you can't explain.  The magnitude of people who must be fools or liars, in your estimation, is astounding.  Your opinion of your fellow humans is bound by distrust and disgust.  Your fall back is always insults and derision.  Is this your quest in life?  To make everyone either pity you or berate you as demented?  If it is, it's working.  The only good I ever hear from people regarding you is that you're polite but that's only because they don't bother challenging your beliefs.  Otherwise you are a nasty, insulting boor as well as misled and willfully ignorant.

I just went outside and did the little thumb test. Closing one eye and making my thumb appear as long as full grown pine tree perhaps 100 feet away as well as an 8 foot wall some 20 feet away. How exactly does that prove the sun is 400 times larger than the moon and 93 million miles away? 

Festerthetester - were you ever a teacher/professor? If so, in what subject(s)? 

It is also very easy to understand/comprehend how a few control/manipulate a multitude. Not hard to do at all if one disseminates the majority of information i.e. "knowledge" from the top down. What the public sees/hears/reads via MSM/education etc. 

I'm not looking for your friendship fester. But so long as you continue to spout/parrot lies I shall challenge you, whether you realize your lies or not. 

Back when I was cleverer than I am now, I thought I worked out how a subjectively caused effect would be impossible.

If you imagine a light wave, that's the normal way we think of light: in waves. Yet we tend to think of a photon as an object and also an electron.

If there's nothing obstructing a light wave, it carries on happily, as part of a beam of light. It isn't anywhere in particular. If it encounters an obstacle, it has to "declare itself" as being somewhere. Otherwise, it wouldn't know if it was supposed to be absorbed, reflected or pass on unhindered. It makes it unhappy because it knows it has work to do and also it must declare itself to the authorities. Normally, they like to be under the radar.

Elroch will no doubt correct me where I'm wrong.