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When you announce that you are going to create/invent "Free Energy" for/to the world -------------------------- there are going to be some that would rather DIE --- than let that transpire !!!

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TenGolf-TPOT wrote:

Don't forget the manned part

You probably should read the posts. happy.png

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noodles2112 wrote:

lots of controversy out there with Nikola Tesla !!

There is, but there is too with Edison. A bit of an entrepreneurial sharpshooter. The less genuine work HE did, the better and faster it was for him.

On a different subject but one which may have been discussed in this thread, yesterday I watched a documentary on Prince William of Gloucester, once 4th in line to the British throne, who died in an accident in an air race in 1972.

It's the first time I've ever looked at the film of the crash. It is absolutely clear that it was caused by pilot error. He didn't have sufficient air speed or altitude to undertake such a steeply banked turn and what happened was what one would expect to happen. The aircraft clearly stalls in the middle of the turn and slides down on the diagonal plane he was banked at, indicating that the aircraft stalled due to insufficient flying speed. Takeoff is the most dangerous aspect of flying, normally due to possible engine failure rather than pilot error. I don't think it was a suicide attempt because it would only maybe have a 25% chance of a crash, although any crash on take-off carries a very high risk of death. Pilot error then, due to what? A sudden attack of his illness, which was supposed to be in remission? Or maybe extreme fatigue? Either would have been compounded by the stupidity of making such a tighly banked turn at zero altitude. Either way, I think he just didn't care any more about living. Non-fliers might not understand what a bad error undertaking such a turn actually was.

AI accounts are utterly wrong, even when one "dives deeper". One uses the phrase that the plane was "battling for altitude". That's total rubbish and could be said to be completely dishonest. So who was AI trying to please and was it ethical to lie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f2VeByR5n0

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"We will know our disinformation program is complete when everything the public believes is false" - director CIA

ask AI about that one Opt -

see if comes back "crazy conspiracy theory" lolwink.png

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That post about the air race crash reminds me of a completely unnecessary killing of 4 people (including himself) by ex-rally world champion Colin McCrae. The reason for the crash (which killed McCrae's 5 year old son and his 6 year old friend, as well as a friend of McCrae's) was reckless flying by McCrae, who didn't even have a license to fly the helicopter.

Arrogance can be a very dangerous thing.

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death by misadventure -- its all fun & games --- until its not -----

like when the pilot of commercial airline let his child sit in the captain seat ---- because it would be fun --- ending with everyone Dead !

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I remember that Russian cockpit recording. Chilling stuff!

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noodles2112 wrote:

"We will know our disinformation program is complete when everything the public believes is false" - director CIA

ask AI about that one Opt -

see if comes back "crazy conspiracy theory" lol

It's just someone who's sarcastic.

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Anyone who thinks such a statement is true is failing to use their brain at all.

If you believe the CIA lies all the time, there is no reason why there would be a magic exception for statements about misinformation! 🤣🤣🤣

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misinformation & disinformation are not one & the same !

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noodles2112 wrote:

"We will know our disinformation program is complete when everything the public believes is false" - director CIA

ask AI about that one Opt -

see if comes back "crazy conspiracy theory" lol

"widely attributed to former CIA Director William Casey, but it is generally considered apocryphal (unverified or likely fabricated)."

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I know --- its one of those controversial quotes !

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Not particularly, Nood. It isn't remotely possible that it's a real quotation which means what it seems to mean.

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Yeah there was only one witness and no other evidence

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One witness actually = zero witnesses. It isn't possible that a CiA director would say such a thing except if it was obvious that he meant something very different. Sarcasm really exists and it really alters meanings in real time and in the real world. But 100 to 1 that it isn't sarcasm by either a "witness" or by CIA person so much as simply false. It ought to be obvious but people sometimes reckon without the extreme stupidity of those who believe what they want to believe.

I'm not talking about anyone here and I don't think for one second that Noodles really believes the antiheliocentric stuff. And nothing he could say could convince me otherwise.

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Elroch wrote:

Anyone who thinks such a statement is true is failing to use their brain at all.

If you believe the CIA lies all the time, there is no reason why there would be a magic exception for statements about misinformation! 🤣🤣🤣

In 'the world of noodles' - tremendous numbers of people would have to be being paid all the time to 'fake' things. 
The cost of such bribery would far exceed any imaginary 'profit'.
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When the very rich and powerful are 'conspiring' (whether secretly or not) its to get more money and power. And at a profit.
A conspiracy about 'faking' the shape of the earth or its motion would not make a profit and would cost enormously and continuously.
The rich and powerful don't become that way or maintain that way by such crazy projects.
There are no such projects.
Corporations like Exxon caused disinformation to be put out about the dangers of global warming for example. Like the cigarette companies.
Real conspiracies in other words.
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noodles has already indicated he doesn't like logic.
And that is characteristic of organizations like the flat earth movement.
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Regarding the powerful geocentrism that persecuted Galileo and which extended back into the ancient greeks (who still managed to recognize an obvious round earth)
could that geocentrism be regarded as a 'conspiracy'?
It could be regarded as a massive backwardness caused by society not having the technology to know better - plus something called hubris.
But telescopes soon began to fix that.
With Newton being one of those to begin to blow geocentrism right out of the water.
How? He had 50x telescopes - and was pretty good at math!
Putting it mildly.
But he was in England.
A country that had Henry VIII and defeat of the spanish armada under its belt before Newton.
Which set up Newton and the Royal Society to be the intellectual hub of the world!
And probably set up Cambridge to be the number one university for centuries and centuries after that.
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But why did the popes begin to acknowledge that the earth moves - in the 1700's?
Probably because of the pressure caused by worldwide navigation and business and commerce and naval matters too.
Businesses and military and navigation clinging to invalid geocentrism couldn't compete with the real thing.
So they had to change or go under or get beat. 
Whichever.

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noodles2112 wrote:

I know --- its one of those controversial [made up] quotes !

It does of course make a lot more sense as a lie. As a quote it would be (1) false, (2) stupid and (3) pointless, not what one would expect from an intelligence professional.

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the witness (a female that worked in the white house) claimed to overhear the statement via CIA director & Hollywood actor/president Reagan - 1981 ---

this/that is where the controversy begins & ends !

was she lying & making it all up -- what would be the motive -

not the kind of "fame" most people would envy/desire !!

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playerafar --- "only takes a few to fool a multitude" -- done all the time - --------------------------------------- via Compartmentalization Methodologies ---

think "The Manhattan Project"

Truman said only a handful knew what was transpiring from 100,000's employees !

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