Does True Randomness Actually Exist?

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Never claimed to be some genius. I am looking at the sun/moon right now. If heliocentric theory was valid then the moon would be full like the alleged sunlight reflecting rock ball heliocentrists claim it to be. 

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I say computers can achieve true randomness, but humans can't. 

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noodles2112 wrote:

Never claimed to be some genius. I am looking at the sun/moon right now. If heliocentric theory was valid then the moon would be full like the alleged sunlight reflecting rock ball heliocentrists claim it to be. 

As usual, your reasoning is nonsense. The Moon is NOT currently opposite the Sun in the sky. It is quite a long way off 180 degrees (see map of where the Moon and Sun are overhead right now -  the point 180 degrees from the Sun is somewhere near Bangladesh). 

As a result, the Moon is more than half full, but well off full.

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noodles2112 wrote:

They have to "reason" it all away because if they actually reasoned they would not deny their own senses which is mandatory if one chooses to believe in the religion of heliocentrism. 

What do you believe, noodles? For myself, I believe that heliocentrism really means that the sun and each planet act as a system of pairs of objects, each pair orbiting around the centre of gravity of that pair, whilst each of the planets has a smaller gravitational effect the other planets too. Our Earth has one orbital moon and effectively it is the dual pair of Earth and moon which acts as one of a mutually orbital pair, the other member of which is the sun.

Anyway, this roughly describes what I think and so I wondered if your ideas about it are different and if so, in what way?

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654Psyfox wrote:

I say computers can achieve true randomness, but humans can't. 


Computers cannot and humans can, actually. That is because humans can self-program to refer to an external source of true randomness and computers cannot.

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noodles2112 wrote:

Never claimed to be some genius. 


I have. It's fun .... you should try it. tongue.png

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True randomness does exist; but only at unknown times.

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I started to believe/trust my own senses/eyes again.......then things began to make perfect sensewink.png 

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Sure, i's a good way to be. After all, you can see the Earth's curvature. The idea that people believed in a flat Earth is crazy since people were already sailing 1000s of miles. I think it was indeed limited to a few crazies.

But as for the Earth and sun spinning round?

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I have yet to see any curvature, either from 40,000 feet when traveling via commercial airlines or 120,000 plus feet via high altitude balloon video footage. 

The sun/moon traverse over the face of the earth just as they appear to do so. 

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noodles2112 wrote:

Where does random derive?

 Heliocentric theory perhaps?

Is that not the end all be all of randomness? 

 

A.D.D. I swear.

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MEXIMARTINI wrote:
noodles2112 wrote:

Where does random derive?

 Heliocentric theory perhaps?

Is that not the end all be all of randomness? 

 

A.D.D. I swear.

 

Or Cocaine I guess

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noodles2112 wrote:

I have yet to see any curvature, either from 40,000 feet when traveling via commercial airlines or 120,000 plus feet via high altitude balloon video footage. 

The sun/moon traverse over the face of the earth just as they appear to do so. 

Then I'm afraid that if you rely on your eyes, as you claim to, then you're going to troll your way off the edge of a cliff imminently. Steer clear of all cliffs and, in fact, steer clear of anything.


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if one can "comprehend" an infinite heliocentric universe ....then what is so difficult about comprehending an infinite plane? 

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noodles' brain is a good source of true randomness.

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noodles2112 wrote:

I have yet to see any curvature, either from 40,000 feet when traveling via commercial airlines or 120,000 plus feet via high altitude balloon video footage. 

The sun/moon traverse over the face of the earth just as they appear to do so. 

You lack the capability to quantitatively test your absurd beliefs. If you did have it, you would be able to prove them wrong, like competent people can.

How far do you think the Moon and Sun are from the flat surface above which you believe they circle in a comical manner?

In your fantasy world, is the phase of the Moon virtually identical from all points on the Earth's surface from which it can be seen? [I can tell you the answer for the real world later].

 

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it is very simple.

if the earth were a sphere......EVEN twice the alleged size of 50,000 miles in circumference .......the HORIZON would remain FIXED................as one ascended the HORIZON WOULD/COULD NEVER RISE.

According to the globe model for curvature of 8" per mile squared any curvature would be observable and measurable. The only thing that's measured and observable is the LACK OF CURVATURE.........using globe apologists own freaking formula!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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don't get upset with me Elroch.........I did not create the heliocentric tower of babel you adhere to. 

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Again, in a bigger font:

How far do you think the Moon and Sun are from the flat surface above which you believe they circle?

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I personally think the distances vary. Certainly not 93 million miles nor 239,000 miles away. 

some have speculated around 3000 miles....others say much less than that. 

I DON'T KNOWwink.png

They are right there for all to see!