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noodles2112 wrote:

The theory of Gravity just like heliocentric theory have NEVER been proven.

The scientific method merely requires that every single time it is tested it is successful. That is the current status, and there is no factual basis for disagreeing with it.

They are merely accepted theories that have been shoved down our throats since birth.

No. To someone unable to follow the scientific reasoning and who was too arrogant to understand the significance of their own incompetence that would appear so. No-one who is competent at physics (say to middle school level) would say so.

Let me use an analogy you should understand. Someone who loses to Scholar's mate makes proclamations about a difficult tactic that differ from what all the GMs and engines say. Which of the views should we believe?

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You know as well as I that heliocentrism is not science......it is pseudoscience. 

In order to achieve this colossal hoax it would be necessary to usurp science with pseudoscience and call it sciencewink.png 

 

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noodles2112 wrote:

You know as well as I that heliocentrism is not science......it is pseudoscience.

No. Unlike you, I understand scientific reasoning.

To claim I share your incompetence is an inappropriate insult.

 

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then give me a compare/contrast of science/pseudoscience. 

I have asked this question numerous times  and  long ago in OD before they silenced me the first time.....and yet I have NEVER gotten an answer. 

Now don't go so far as to say I was insulting you. Over the years you have insulted me as well as those you deem to be your equals ...............more times than I can count! 

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Science uses the scientific method.

This includes:

  1. having a model of real-world behaviour
  2. making predictions using that model
  3. testing those predictions against new observations

If the predictions ever fail for adequate quality observations, the scientific method tells you that if your observations are correct, your model needs to be improved. This is a rare event for mature sciences (eg there have been exactly two successful established theories of gravity in scientific history. Newton's lasted for about 250 years, then was discovered to be an approximation to a more precise theory found by Einstein, which is still good enough for all experimental data.

For example, it can use the observed angular locations and angular velocities of all of the objects in the Solar System, come up with inferred 3-dimensional positions, velocities and masses (those that provide consistent behaviour to what has been observed), then predict the future  angular positions of the same objects.

This worked for all the planets and moons of the Solar System when Newton's theory of gravity was used, with one exception. The orbit of Mercury was observed to precess by 43 arc seconds per century, a small but clearly observable amount.

Einstein's theory of General Relativity - which approximates to Newton's at low energy - predicted exactly the observed precession for the fastest moving planet. It also predicted a much smaller precession for Venus which was confirmed by all precise later observations.

That's SCIENCE.

Time for you to spout some nonsense to feel better.

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Science uses the scientific method.

it tries to...but it can suffer s/t's from confirmation bias. so its tricky.

DB Elrock ?..u hijacker...lol !

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using the scientific method as you say todays scientists do..................... then why can't they make water stick to a spinning wobbling blasting into oblivion ball ..........and prove heliocentric theory Once for All? 

Or do they "Randomly".................... assume..................or postulate............that water............................... only sticks........................................ to very.......................... Big Ballswink.png 

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".... then why can't they make water stick to a spinning wobbling blasting into oblivion ball"

 

Who says they can't?

 

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Science does. 

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Science does indeed explain this without much difficulty. But the following explanation is as useful to the likes of @noodles2112 as a book on rook endings is to a goldfish.

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Imagine making a scale model of the Earth to emulate gravity and the effects of rotation. Obviously, you need to locate it in free fall to remove much bigger forces. Key to making it scale correctly are:

  1. Gravitational force scales with the radius (density remaining the same) (this is because the mass goes up like the cube, but the inverse square law for the radius reduces it to linear)
  2. Centrifugal force scales with the product of the radius and the square of the rate of rotation (cycles per day, say)

As a consequence, you would obviously need to locate it in free fall, then you would need to keep the same angular frequency to make the ratio of the gravitational force and the centrifugal force the same.

Thus, say you made a model of the Earth with a radius 1/1000 that of the Earth, you would need to rotate it just once per day.

It does not seem too difficult to believe the truth that water would stay on the surface of this spherical asteroid (radius ~6km) due to gravity.

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your right.........not difficult at all.............................................to believewink.png 

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noodles2112 wrote:

using the scientific method as you say todays scientists do..................... then why can't they make water stick to a spinning wobbling blasting into oblivion ball ..........and prove heliocentric theory Once for All? 

Or do they "Randomly".................... assume..................or postulate............that water............................... only sticks........................................ to very.......................... Big Balls 


There are some areas where scientific method as interpreted by many modern scientists appears to fail totally and utterly. No method has been found by current, orhodox scienists to meaningfully experiment on extra-sensory perception, because they do not understand how to model the human mind.

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That makes no sense. There are many peer reviewed experiments.

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Like Foucault's Pendulum wink.png

The truth is that heliocentric theory has never been proven nor was it ever meant to be and even Newton stated "his theory of gravity" could never be proven.

It is a theory with never ending theories.......that was the point of the theory. 

Every scientific experiment intended to prove the earth moves failed and indirectly proved the exact opposite i.e. the earth does not move. 

Michelsen/Morely, Sagnac, Airey's failure etc. 

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There are dozens of science museums around the world where you can personally observe a Foucault's pendulum experiment working.

I have done so in the UK, and you can in the US as well.

What daft response have you to that?

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If indeed the Foucault pendulum was proof of a spinning earth then there should not exist a pendulum on earth not moving. We know that is not the case. 

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As usual, that shows fatally inadequate understanding of the physics.

Foucault's pendulum is a subtle effect. It requires that the pendulum is unimpeded to swing in all directions and keeps swinging a long time. For example, pendulums in clocks are typically constrained to swing in a single direction by their design. Like a tram on rails.

The example in the Science Museum in London uses a very elegant design to ensure it keeps swinging permanently. The way it works is very like a person on a swing. At the high points of swings a small motor tugs the cable slightly higher providing a little gravitational potential energy to the pendulum to compensate for the small amount of energy lost from air resistance and flexing of the cable. Of course this mechanism has no directionality, so has no effect on the beautiful way the pendulum maintains its absolute direction of swing as the Earth rotates, so this visibly rotates over the course of 24 hours relative to the ground.

The same effect is demonstrated by the examples in these countries, where sane people live.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D09DeQwbG9o 5-minutes

Foucault's Pendulum is nothing more than an electromechanical device. It's motion doesn't "prove" anything, whatsoever. It's just another Freemasonic/Jesuit/Luciferian scam designed to mislead the gullible masses. A pseudoscientific parlor trick......nothing more!

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Ignorant viewpoint from an unaccountable youtube crazy, unlike all the more intelligent people working in science museums across the world.

Eric Dubay is verifiably ignorant about Foucault pendulums. For example, the one in the UK Science Museum for the whole 20th century up to 1988 didn't have any power.  Rather they slowed down over time and required a push every now and then to keep them going. Of course, such examples still exist.

HOWEVER, note very carefully that between one push and the next, an unpowered Foucault pendulum can swing for a day or more. Thus any attempt to obfuscate fails at the first hurdle.

To reiterate, Eric Dubay either knowingly lies or is ignorant of the facts when he says all Foucault pendulums are powered. As always, he is a deluded fool who makes youtube videos.

Note another example of Dubay's lack of intelligence is that he claims all pendulums would act as Foucault's pendulums. This is like claiming that trams can go anywhere they like. It doesn't take a genius to observe this blunder.

Although it will go straight over your head, I will point out that the motion caused by a slight sideways force applied to a pendulum is that is swings back and forth in a very elongated ellipse. The two apexes of the ellipse would stay in the same place permanently if the Earth did not rotate.

Ignorance and lack of comprehension is the key to trusting blundering dullards like Dubay.