Does True Randomness Actually Exist?

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noodles2112

If indeed the Foucault pendulum was proof of a spinning earth then there should not exist a pendulum on earth not moving. We know that is not the case. 

Elroch

As usual, that shows fatally inadequate understanding of the physics.

Foucault's pendulum is a subtle effect. It requires that the pendulum is unimpeded to swing in all directions and keeps swinging a long time. For example, pendulums in clocks are typically constrained to swing in a single direction by their design. Like a tram on rails.

The example in the Science Museum in London uses a very elegant design to ensure it keeps swinging permanently. The way it works is very like a person on a swing. At the high points of swings a small motor tugs the cable slightly higher providing a little gravitational potential energy to the pendulum to compensate for the small amount of energy lost from air resistance and flexing of the cable. Of course this mechanism has no directionality, so has no effect on the beautiful way the pendulum maintains its absolute direction of swing as the Earth rotates, so this visibly rotates over the course of 24 hours relative to the ground.

The same effect is demonstrated by the examples in these countries, where sane people live.

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noodles2112

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D09DeQwbG9o 5-minutes

Foucault's Pendulum is nothing more than an electromechanical device. It's motion doesn't "prove" anything, whatsoever. It's just another Freemasonic/Jesuit/Luciferian scam designed to mislead the gullible masses. A pseudoscientific parlor trick......nothing more!

Elroch

Ignorant viewpoint from an unaccountable youtube crazy, unlike all the more intelligent people working in science museums across the world.

Eric Dubay is verifiably ignorant about Foucault pendulums. For example, the one in the UK Science Museum for the whole 20th century up to 1988 didn't have any power.  Rather they slowed down over time and required a push every now and then to keep them going. Of course, such examples still exist.

HOWEVER, note very carefully that between one push and the next, an unpowered Foucault pendulum can swing for a day or more. Thus any attempt to obfuscate fails at the first hurdle.

To reiterate, Eric Dubay either knowingly lies or is ignorant of the facts when he says all Foucault pendulums are powered. As always, he is a deluded fool who makes youtube videos.

Note another example of Dubay's lack of intelligence is that he claims all pendulums would act as Foucault's pendulums. This is like claiming that trams can go anywhere they like. It doesn't take a genius to observe this blunder.

Although it will go straight over your head, I will point out that the motion caused by a slight sideways force applied to a pendulum is that is swings back and forth in a very elongated ellipse. The two apexes of the ellipse would stay in the same place permanently if the Earth did not rotate.

Ignorance and lack of comprehension is the key to trusting blundering dullards like Dubay.

noodles2112

If you watch the video he does mention the pendulum needs to be manually started etc. As with any so-called proof of the earths rotation the fact remains that every experiment ever performed to prove the earth moves failed. 

The Foucault pendulum is not proof the earth moves/rotates. 

Why do aeronautical data/information state very clearly that flight must 'assume' a nonrotating stationary flat earth................if it be fiction? 

The fact is, flight would be impossible if the earth were a spinning and wobbling sphere. 

Elroch
noodles2112 wrote:

If you watch the video he does mention the pendulum needs to be manually started etc.

This is correct. It is the other things he says that are simply false.

As with any so-called proof of the earths rotation the fact remains that every experiment ever performed to prove the earth moves failed.

All competent scientists disagree. Only incompetent people who make the sorts of blunders I have pointed out agree with you.

The Foucault pendulum is not proof the earth moves/rotates. 

Competent people understand that it demonstrates that fact. Only incompetent people don't.

Why do aeronautical data/information state very clearly that flight must 'assume' a nonrotating stationary flat earth................if it be fiction?

This is nonsense.  And Coriolis force is significant but not that large on an aircraft compared to air resistance and gravity. A difference in wind direction is much more significant.

The fact is, flight would be impossible if the earth were a spinning and wobbling sphere. 

You can calculate the Coriolis force on an aerplane here. I did and found that it was about 1/300 of the force of gravity for one example.  By contrast, the horizontal component of the drag on the same aircraft was about 1/20 of the force of gravity (the vertical component balances gravity, but does not cost energy when the plane is moving horizontally).

Compared to wind, this is comparable to a relative speed of about 20 meters per second (assuming the plane is moving at 300 meters per second).  Jet streams are much faster than that.

Bottom line, the Coriolis Effect is significant, but is much smaller than variations in wind speed. This proves your blundering claims wrong.

Coriolis Effect calculator

Elroch

It's true to the same extent as that flight would be impossible if there were winds (which have a larger effect on aircraft).

Elroch

noodles probably still believes that.

noodles2112

I certainly don't believe in heliocentric theory.....in fact....I never even questioned it until about 10 years ago. Most people never even get that farwink.png 

Then again, most people have no clue what they believe when it comes to heliocentrism wink.png

noodles2112

sounds like simulation theory sirhappy.png 

MEXIMARTINI
Optimissed wrote:
noodles2112 wrote:

Where does random derive?

 Heliocentric theory perhaps?

Is that not the end all be all of randomness? 

It derives from the innate nature of the universe, sir. Everything is such that it can appear and disappear. That's all basic entities of energy and matter. Space too sir, if you ask me, sir. It's like this. You can be walking along a road and bits of it keep disappearing at random. But other bits come back, also at random. Kind of keeps things steady, sir.

 

Like this?

noodles2112

I'd say that is 100% proof of earths curvaturewink.png 

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Coriolis_force
...the Coriolis Force is a...fictitious force

(Burst !!)

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

...flight would be impossible if the earth were a spinning and wobbling sphere. 

oh yeah ??...i wanna be in a airplane during a wobbling earthquake.

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

...understanding of the physics.

i think i have babber convinced beer sweats thru a glass. do u think thats mean ?

Elroch
Thee_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Coriolis_force
...the Coriolis Force is a...fictitious force

(Burst !!)

No.

What "fictitious" means in this context is that the force is only non-zero in a rotating frame of refererence. Such as the one you occupy, moving with the surface of the Earth and which a plane flying over the Earth also occupies.

noodles2112

what about helicopters hovering in place? 

does the earth stop rotating or do the helicopters rotations remain fixed with the rotating earth while planes move about? 

Elroch

That just makes no sense at all.

noodles2112

neither does heliocentrismwink.png 

Elroch

It does to those who understand there has not been a conspiracy involving all those competent at science and all the governments of the world (especially those with space industries).

Insanity is required to believe in that.

There are of course many reasons something may not make sense to a person. A common one is that they have no understanding of it. But there are also things that don't make sense because they are nonsense.

Basic science falls into the first category for you.

Thinking helicopters have problems with Coriolis force is an example of the latter.