Does True Randomness Actually Exist?

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If you watch the video he does mention the pendulum needs to be manually started etc. As with any so-called proof of the earths rotation the fact remains that every experiment ever performed to prove the earth moves failed. 

The Foucault pendulum is not proof the earth moves/rotates. 

Why do aeronautical data/information state very clearly that flight must 'assume' a nonrotating stationary flat earth................if it be fiction? 

The fact is, flight would be impossible if the earth were a spinning and wobbling sphere. 

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noodles2112 wrote:

If you watch the video he does mention the pendulum needs to be manually started etc.

This is correct. It is the other things he says that are simply false.

As with any so-called proof of the earths rotation the fact remains that every experiment ever performed to prove the earth moves failed.

All competent scientists disagree. Only incompetent people who make the sorts of blunders I have pointed out agree with you.

The Foucault pendulum is not proof the earth moves/rotates. 

Competent people understand that it demonstrates that fact. Only incompetent people don't.

Why do aeronautical data/information state very clearly that flight must 'assume' a nonrotating stationary flat earth................if it be fiction?

This is nonsense.  And Coriolis force is significant but not that large on an aircraft compared to air resistance and gravity. A difference in wind direction is much more significant.

The fact is, flight would be impossible if the earth were a spinning and wobbling sphere. 

You can calculate the Coriolis force on an aerplane here. I did and found that it was about 1/300 of the force of gravity for one example.  By contrast, the horizontal component of the drag on the same aircraft was about 1/20 of the force of gravity (the vertical component balances gravity, but does not cost energy when the plane is moving horizontally).

Compared to wind, this is comparable to a relative speed of about 20 meters per second (assuming the plane is moving at 300 meters per second).  Jet streams are much faster than that.

Bottom line, the Coriolis Effect is significant, but is much smaller than variations in wind speed. This proves your blundering claims wrong.

Coriolis Effect calculator

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noodles2112 wrote:

 

The fact is, flight would be impossible if the earth were a spinning and wobbling sphere. 

Ee be roight, we'd be threwn eut inta space.

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It's true to the same extent as that flight would be impossible if there were winds (which have a larger effect on aircraft).

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After all, it was always known that travelling at fantastic speeds (over 50 mph) would permit of no breathing.

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noodles probably still believes that.

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I certainly don't believe in heliocentric theory.....in fact....I never even questioned it until about 10 years ago. Most people never even get that farwink.png 

Then again, most people have no clue what they believe when it comes to heliocentrism wink.png

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noodles2112 wrote:

Where does random derive?

 Heliocentric theory perhaps?

Is that not the end all be all of randomness? 

It derives from the innate nature of the universe, sir. Everything is such that it can appear and disappear. That's all basic entities of energy and matter. Space too sir, if you ask me, sir. It's like this. You can be walking along a road and bits of it keep disappearing at random. But other bits come back, also at random. Kind of keeps things steady, sir.

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sounds like simulation theory sirhappy.png 

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Optimissed wrote:
noodles2112 wrote:

Where does random derive?

 Heliocentric theory perhaps?

Is that not the end all be all of randomness? 

It derives from the innate nature of the universe, sir. Everything is such that it can appear and disappear. That's all basic entities of energy and matter. Space too sir, if you ask me, sir. It's like this. You can be walking along a road and bits of it keep disappearing at random. But other bits come back, also at random. Kind of keeps things steady, sir.

 

Like this?

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I'd say that is 100% proof of earths curvaturewink.png 

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https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Coriolis_force
...the Coriolis Force is a...fictitious force

(Burst !!)

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...flight would be impossible if the earth were a spinning and wobbling sphere. 

oh yeah ??...i wanna be in a airplane during a wobbling earthquake.

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...understanding of the physics.

i think i have babber convinced beer sweats thru a glass. do u think thats mean ?

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Thee_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Coriolis_force
...the Coriolis Force is a...fictitious force

(Burst !!)

No.

What "fictitious" means in this context is that the force is only non-zero in a rotating frame of refererence. Such as the one you occupy, moving with the surface of the Earth and which a plane flying over the Earth also occupies.

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what about helicopters hovering in place? 

does the earth stop rotating or do the helicopters rotations remain fixed with the rotating earth while planes move about? 

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That just makes no sense at all.

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neither does heliocentrismwink.png 

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It does to those who understand there has not been a conspiracy involving all those competent at science and all the governments of the world (especially those with space industries).

Insanity is required to believe in that.

There are of course many reasons something may not make sense to a person. A common one is that they have no understanding of it. But there are also things that don't make sense because they are nonsense.

Basic science falls into the first category for you.

Thinking helicopters have problems with Coriolis force is an example of the latter.

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Randomness exists when r^2 = 0. It is impossible for there to not be a trend, but we can get pretty close, as shown in this graph:

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/hjs5z9ul1h