Does True Randomness Actually Exist? ( ^&*#^%$&#% )

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Sillver1

Chess and dice is NOT a good comparison

why would you make that comparison?

Sillver1

I don’t know all the intricacies involved, but for now anyway I believe in free will.

its very good that you do because regardless to the big picture this is a major part of our human experience.

by the way... are you Sagittarius, or did you pick that one randomly? tongue.png

odisea777
Sillver1 wrote:

Chess and dice is NOT a good comparison

why would you make that comparison?

I did not make it; I was referring to the OP where chess and dice were mentioned as possible examples of randomness; read the OP then my post might make sense

 

Sillver1

and if random is just an illusion, does it mean that every game of chess is already determined before it even start?

This one? i believe it was related to determinism...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determinism

KingAxelson
Sillver1 wrote:

I don’t know all the intricacies involved, but for now anyway I believe in free will.

its very good that you do because regardless to the big picture this is a major part of our human experience.

by the way... are you Sagittarius, or did you pick that one randomly?

lol.. Yeah I’m a Sag. Not that I believe in that **** There does seem to be something to it though. For instance my mother is a ‘Gemini’ and at times I would swear that she has a split personality. Coincidence? No, it’s not my game. I just posted those stars randomly because I thought they looked sexy. tongue.png

lol.. yeah anyway, life on the road. Tonight it’s popcorn, tomatoes & okra for dinner, while I listen to Pink Floyd’s ‘Terminal Frost’. Ohh I’m so glad I’m glad I’m glad.

So.. that determinism **** sounds like a cop out to me, I’m not buying it. When you take responsibility for your own actions, you actually end up liking yourself more. That’s a good thing, because then the laws of attraction tend to favor you more, if that makes sense. There’s other benefits that should be self evident. 

XemeNode

True randomness does not exist. It is not really a concept worth delving into but if you like then we can discuss the logical implications further. It isn't just against the laws of physics, but the very nature of reality itself at the metaphysical level of analysis.

Sillver1

"lol.. Yeah I’m a Sag. Not that I believe in that ****

sure you do. its written all over you buddy. lol. ...not to extreem, like rejecting a date just because she's on a conflicting sign, but it will make you happy if she is. wait. am i still talking about you? lol

what is the law of attraction? i'll tune in...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh_pAII16pw

Sillver1
Cubronzo wrote:

True randomness does not exist. It is not really a concept worth delving into but if you like then we can discuss the logical implications further. It isn't just against the laws of physics, but the very nature of reality itself at the metaphysical level of analysis.

go ahead, we'd love to hear more opinions, especially if you offer a fresh outlook and it seem that you may. just chill and grab a cold one at post #8 (that's if you're over 21 ; )

Elroch

Your opinion is based on a concept of randomness that is imprecise.

Randomness is about incompleteness of information. Experiments on quantum mechanics show that some of this randomness (relating to the results of well-defined experiments) applies to the entire part of the Universe that is not in the causal future of the observations that measure the quantities in question.

Sillver1

whats up with posts keep disappearing and reappearing?

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

Randomness is about incompleteness of information.

no its not. R is about R. its u that sees it as I of I. which has mislead u to believe that all parts of it exist (blame it on ur black-n-white outlook). 

Elroch

I see, the good old self referential definition. There is a good reason why they are not found in dictionaries.

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight....like urziz any better guess.

XemeNode

Definitions are not static, they change depending on the context

KingAxelson

@ Silver.. KingAxelson’s random fact #321

I have not read my daily horoscope since the last century.

Many thanks for allowing me to make the ‘laws of attraction’ personal. However, my guy doesn’t seem to have a YouTube on it. (John Alanis) Plenty of info though for a quick fix. (google search) We can revisit this later. : )

As I look at the full moon at one am, I see the stars as well. This for me is the best time to play the piano. As I write my opera, with out ever looking at the keys.

I awoke from my revere to this. Totally random, but that's what happened..

 

Sillver1

me neither but its probably because everything is electronic now days, and i dont get to read papers anymore. the horoscopes used to be on all of them. its fun and always so positive.
got to go... enjoy the weekend ya'll happy.png

Elroch
Cubronzo wrote:

Definitions are not static, they change depending on the context

Sort of true of English, where words have multiple meanings and you need to work out which one is relevant.

Not really true of mathematics where definitions are precise and unique and abbreviation of a term is only used for convenience when there is no risk of confusion. I have seen people say that probability theory (a well-defined branch of mathematics) does not apply to the real world, but those who successfully do so every day can only shrug and continue to do so.

Uke8
DifferentialGalois wrote:

There are various explanations that have been developed to elucidate Benford's law, albeit it is somewhat more ready to prove it mathematically. Moreover, it plays prevalence in Planck's study of thermodynamics, in spite of the subtlety. The following links could be invaluable and furthermore, one should note that Zipf's law asserts that the frequency of a word is inversely proportional to its rank in the frequency table. In a simplistic mathematical form (I place simplistic so as to stress the beauty of probability theory even when it's not enmeshed with mathematical jargon), the probability of 'finding' the nth most common word is given by the approximation: P(n) = 0.1/n.

thanks for bringing up the Zipfs law. never heard of it and its even more surprising than the bredford one. even more bizzare is that there's no decisive logical explanation to it. kind of things that make me think determinism : )

zipfs law...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCn8zs912OE

back to the benfords.. i asked if you know the reasoning because the first thing that came to mind was that its simply a result of the order we count. in other words, we start at 1 and go upwards.. so the use of 1's is simply more likely to add up(especially after chopping the other digits). guess this could be tested with a set that start at say 9999 and go downwards. however, im clueless if this even make sense

Uke8
KingAxelson wrote:

@ Uke.. Earlier on it was astronomy that I brought up. I realize you prefer the earthen ware so to speak. They just put together several random stars and give them a name. Kind of strange how they might think that the image below looks like some guy getting ready for archery. 

up until looking at your Sagittarius image i thought that its the same constellation as Orion. maybe because both are archers but that should tell you how little do i know about either.. I'm much better at putting a real arrow on target that for sure. orion, the dippers, north star and such are fun to look for and comes handy for navigation.

here's Orion in comparison.

abstract-asterism-orion-illustration-lines-600w-82630516.jpg

Thee_Ghostess_Lola
Sillver1 wrote:

me neither but its probably because everything is electronic now days, and i dont get to read papers anymore. the horoscopes used to be on all of them. its fun and always so positive.
got to go... enjoy the weekend ya'll

sooo right Hi-Ho !....if a horoscope is placebic then it served its purpose. has a place. ppl that condescend it like elroch did on his thread ?....then i have news 4him. He can rest that he can't be responsible others happiness - cuz we wont let him.

(,,,,and thx Opti....<3L happy.png )