Does True Randomness Actually Exist? ( ^&*#^%$&#% )

Well, when A has long pre-existed B, it is safe to say A's structure does not come from B.

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No no no no no.

This word clearly means that an imp, otherwise thought of as a gremlin or other, mischievous, supernatural entity, has lied to you. Now, get it right!

Are we living in a “participatory,” conscious universe, a cosmos in which all of us are embedded as co-creators? 

We only co-create on a very small scale. The universe itself is the creator but we can do small stuff. Do my thoughts about ecology influence Professor Zing on the planet Zogge? Erm. Probably not very much.

Because, if they did, then other, previous civilisations would perhaps influence ours to be better than it is. And maybe not.

I'm very intrigued to see how this forum has evolved since the last time I posted.

"so. how did u meet her ?" i wish. my stepbrother lives there and its one of those things i want to do once my thing is over. your touch is a rare quality in this strange place..

"I'm very intrigued to see how this forum has evolved since the last time I posted." nothing changed : )

                      B

Stands for better and best. Evolution implies getting better and better in every way with time, ultimately getting for ourselves the best of everything. People with wealth consciousness settle only for the best. This is also called the principle of highest first. Go first class all the way and the universe will respond by giving you the best.

Nice speech. Telling us what is best and all. Randomly made up. Perhaps debate evolution in E’s thread- implies getting better overtime??? (Evolution makes no reference to the term “better”.) You make it sound as if the U has set a mandate fit with your interpretation of religious agenda. All rather deterministic. The preaching is best left for the experts on Sunday morning ... oh wait a sec 🛎

                     C

Stands for carefreeness and charity. A billion dollars in the bank, without the experience of carefreeness and charity, is a state of poverty. Wealth consciousness, by definition, is a state of mind. If you are constantly concerned about how much money you need, then irrespective of the actual dollar amount you have in your account, you are really poor. Carefreeness automatically leads to charity and sharing because the source from which it all comes is infinite, unbounded, and inexhaustible.

on your egg carton today, bullhorn at the ready. Nothing but veiled catch phrases do I see for religious agenda. 

You're interested?? Evolved???? Good Heavens, it was taken over by people who couldn't manage to keep a coherent thought in their heads for more than five seconds and it's gone downhill from there.

The thread is quite unique in one aspect. Most all off topic is filled by stuff posters Know to be trolling. Here, everybody knows it all and fools only themselves.

Such self-insight is worthy of self-praise! I suppose it's been fun though. After a fashion, I mean. 

Ha ha 👍

although you can’t quite bring yourself to say 

such insight is worthy of praise!

Nope. Perhaps is meant the insight applies to myself but absolutely In no way could anyone ever possibly or remotely think it applies to the giver of false praise! 🕵🏻‍♂️  

elroch:"It is about the ability to predict given sufficient information."

i think its best if we pick up where we left last time. it should clearly show you that the formal definition of determinism is the only one relevant to this topic.

will you highlight the difference in substance between the formal definition and the one you suggest? (i know the difference, am asking to make sure you are on the same page)

Evolution implies getting better and better in every way with time, ultimately getting for ourselves the best of everything.

nah...and never eliminating suffering.

i'm excited for D !!

First consider that your definition referred in a slightly vague way to the past having some sort of state. This is better thought of as a set of information that describes the past (perhaps you can at least agree that is equivalent).

Then your definition refers accurately to the event in question being determined by that state, which may now be expressed as saying that there is a function from the information that describes the past which gives the information of interest (say the result of some observation or event).

Now consider that the notion of prediction is that you start with some information and you arrive at some information about an event of interest. This is essentially the same as the hypothesis that there could be a deterministic model of physics that would involve local hidden variables. Such a model of physics does not mean it is possible in practice to predict everything but if you had access to the hidden variables you could. What I didn't claim was that it could ever be possible to have access to the "sufficient information" you would need to make predictions.

This completes the comparison of the two definitions.

[It's always worth remembering that this hypothesis fails to explain the Universe we live in. There are no local hidden variables that can explain quantum mechanics. The real world is not deterministic according to either definition].