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People are doing "their part, along with utube" by conserving bandwidth - using it responsibly. Excessive use, a very real possibility, can overwhelm the system and cause it to crash. I suggest the posting of videos here in the threads is unnecessary.

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MustangMate wrote:

People are doing "their part, along with utube" by conserving bandwidth - using it responsibly. Excessive use, a very real possibility, can overwhelm the system and cause it to crash. I suggest the posting of videos here in the threads is unnecessary.

Maybe the gamer's out there would like to hear from you as well. If they have already then tell us about it.

Oh, and let's not forget the internet usage being consumed by Live Chess. Or did you write a ticket about that one too? tongue.png

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Coronavirus transforms peak internet usage into the new normal

Internet usage is spiking. ISPs say they can handle it. Policy wonks aren't convinced.

Then we have these yo-yo's, who indiscriminately post useless videos to prove they can't be told what to do.

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Sillver1 wrote:

will you say one for me too? pretty please 

i caaaan hiho. not sure of ur needs, but i can do like a holistic well-being one i guess.

so ok happy.png .

 

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It can be our little Mount Carmel experiment happy.png.

ok...L : )

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MustangMate wrote:
Coronavirus transforms peak internet usage into the new normal

Internet usage is spiking. ISPs say they can handle it. Policy wonks aren't convinced.

Then we have these yo-yo's, who indiscriminately post useless videos to prove they can't be told what to do.

I see, thx for clearing that up MM.

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I'm Back.

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Why does the subject of synchronicity keep getting ignored in this thread? 

 

Because it would add complications that many people couldn't handle, and which would tend to support the presence of hitherto unknown, scientific laws. Actually, one law .... the one that causes mental phenomena as well as the existence of the universe in the first place.

Best ignore it.

Unknown scientific laws have got to be more exciting than say.. watching old re-runs of 'Friends' wouldn't you say?  

I'm afraid I don't know what "Friends" is or was so I don't know.

Actually, unknown scientific laws aren't exciting except for me and people like me because most people only get excited about them when somebody famous suggests them and then they're usually wrong, more than likely, because they're feeding off their own fame rather than their intellectual curiosity.

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How was Einstein wrong?

He believed determinism  .... "no dice games".

For all the things Einstein got wrong ...

He nailed "no dice games" squarely on it's head.

 

Yes, he squarely nailed it with his scientific prejudice which was based very squarely in the pre-Maxwellian era ("behold .... thar be dinosaurs!") and got it wrong quite perfectly!

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Again interesting...  if schizophrenia is what I had for about a year then let me assure you with all honesty it does exist.  Did I experience auditory and visual experiences that changed the whole perception of my reality?  Yes.  Am I on antipsychotic medication that seem to alleviate my symptoms to the extent that I can live the semblance of a normal life?  Yes.  Have I also been given CBT to help me come to terms with and manage my illness?  Yes.  >>>>

I should apologise to you for disagreeing because, after all, you are the one with the symptoms.

BUT I think there's a strong tendency to confuse the symptoms with a "disease" which can't be treated by "talking therapy" and it's much safer to condemn a person to a lifetime of medication rather than risk a catastrophe because the person isn't capable of dealing with their symptoms and might do something silly.

I had the symptoms back in the 1970s when I was in my early to mid 20s but they were confused by the non-prescrip. psycho-active drugs. I had a lot of auditory hallucinations and some visual ones as well as the perception that I was very special and could control the world.

I worked my way through it all, working out that if I put others before me and always considered the welfare of others on a par with mine, then all would be well. I realised that negative, violent and destructive impulses were simply facets of repressed psyche that were aggressively demanding attention. I worked out a method of therapy which involved suppressing emotional highs for several years, not completely but so they were within a normal range. I had worked out that if I did this it would result in the lows being less too and so it would work against both schizophrenia, by taking away the tilt that favoured some parts of my psyche against others, as well as manic-depression (bipolarity) which would be smoothed out. I realised that the paranormal things were absolutely real so I simply accepted that I was/am a magician who can alter the world with his mind. I have no intellectual problem with that. I think it's very real and I think much of the problems with the world are due to people not understanding it. Of course, Lola and KingA will understand what I'm saying and so will others. And some will naturally reject it and call it delusion, and of course, that is their delusion.

Sooner or later the world will grow up and accept what it is to have minds.

I went to India in the mid 70s for seven months or so, hitch-hiking both ways, and the critical hours in my inner journey were spent on a bus somewhere in Karnataka in the Western Ghats.

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Optimissed wrote:
MustangMate wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
Twpsyn wrote:

How was Einstein wrong?

He believed determinism  .... "no dice games".

For all the things Einstein got wrong ...

He nailed "no dice games" squarely on it's head.

 

Yes, he squarely nailed it with his scientific prejudice which was based very squarely in the pre-Maxwellian era ("behold .... thar be dinosaurs!") and got it wrong quite perfectly!

He got it wrong.

But I am a great admirer of Einstein, and he got it wrong in the right way. He knew what he believed was a hypothesis, he played a big part in the development of a way to test the hypothesis, and can't be blamed for the fact that all the experiments that proved him wrong occurred after his death!

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One of Albert Einstein's most famous quotes is, "God does not play dice with the universe."

But there are two huge errors in the way many people have interpreted this quote over the years. People have wrongly assumed Einstein was religious, believed in destiny, or that he completely rejected a core theory in physics.

First, Einstein wasn't referring to a personal god in the quote. He was using "God" as a metaphor.

"Einstein of course believed in mathematical laws of nature, so his idea of a God was at best someone who formulated the laws and then left the universe alone to evolve according to these laws," physicist Vasant Natarajan wrote in an essay.

Einstein himself even cleared up the matter in a letter he wrote in 1954:

I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.

The second half of the quote — "does not play dice" — is often misunderstood, too. It's not an affirmation of destiny.

The phrase refers to one of the most important theories in modern physics: quantum mechanics. It describes the weird behavior of tiny subatomic particles. It's also the guiding theory that led to critical technologies like nuclear power, MRI machines, and transistors in computer and phones.

It's true that Einstein never accepted quantum mechanics, but the reason was much more nuanced than a flat-out rejection of the theory. After all, Einstein won a Nobel Prize in 1921 for describing the photoelectric effect — a phenomenon that led to the development of quantum mechanics.

The reason for the quote is to express how bizarre quantum mechanics is as a theory. While most of the universe is deterministic and measurable, quantum mechanics says there's a world of tiny particles behind everything that's governed by total randomness.

For example, a major part of quantum theory, called the Heisenberg Uncertainly Principle, says it's impossible to know both the speed and position of a single particle at the same time. So in quantum mechanics nothing can be certain, and we can only describe things in terms of probabilities.

Einstein didn't like this one bit. He believed there must be some underlying laws of nature that could define particles and make it possible to calculate both their speed and position.

There's no evidence of the law Einstein hoped for, and all experimental evidence suggests that quantum mechanics is real. So Einstein was probably wrong to reject the idea.

However, when you try to join quantum mechanics to any other major theory in physics, like Einstein's general theory of relativity, it doesn't work. Quantum mechanics may be correct, but it's a total mystery as to how it fits in with the rest of physics.

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And despite what Elroch is seemingly suggesting that is is "proven" the quantum world is absolutely random, we all know this remains conjecture. The theory has "proven" to be a workable one, with all the discoveries mentioned - but this of itself does not enlist proof. Einstein may very well have been right, laws do exist - just not yet found that will give order to the quantum world.

Order can be observed and measured leading to description and quantification.

It is Impossible for Science to observe or measure true randomness. If someone thinks he's observing such - someone please break the bad news to them.

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Not to brag but I didn’t need non-prescrip. psycho-active drugs, my head got messed up all on its own.  Well actually it was most likely a combination of stress, sensory overload and early childhood trauma but that as they say is another story.  I’m certain that if I went round claiming to be a magician my father for one would insist on an increase to my dose.

Can anyone tell me why they make lorazepam blue because when ever I’m epesotic or even when I’m not it makes me think of the film the matrix.  Take the blue pill neo and you’ll go back into the matrix and forget all about the real world!

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<<But I am a great admirer of Einstein, and he got it wrong in the right way. He knew what he believed was a hypothesis, he played a big part in the development of a way to test the hypothesis, and can't be blamed for the fact that all the experiments that proved him wrong occurred after his death!>>

Well said.

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Definitely.
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Twpsyn wrote:

Not to brag but I didn’t need non-prescrip. psycho-active drugs, my head got messed up all on its own.  Well actually it was most likely a combination of stress, sensory overload and early childhood trauma but that as they say is another story.  I’m certain that if I went round claiming to be a magician my father for one would insist on an increase to my dose.

Can anyone tell me why they make lorazepam blue because when ever I’m epesotic or even when I’m not it makes me think of the film the matrix.  Take the blue pill neo and you’ll go back into the matrix and forget all about the real world!

I don't touch them. Also I don't go round claiming to be a magician. I mentioned it here for the purposes of information and amusement. I can get away with it here but I've only been in my GP's surgery twice in 25 years and if I went there and mentioned it I might find myself on a list, double-time.

Twypsin, has anybody tried to get you to learn to meditate? There are different types of meditation. Some of the most general types, like Transcendental Meditation, are to get your mind to unwind and they can be very effective. Other types can be very different and potentially dangerous .... learning to focus and concentrate. You can't do magic unless you can do that and unless you understand the idea behind sympathetic thought that puts you in a position where you are imagining that the outcome of the thought process is real. I never do that kind of thing any more except occasionally, when I really want my football team to score a goal so I start imagining the ball going into the net. No spells and incantations. If your mind is clear enough, it's capable of affecting the world. Very often, people with mental illnesses have a strange mixture of clarity in some directions and complete lack of clarity in others, and they may find that they can do mental tricks, or that they seem to be able to do them and they can find that very frightening because these days most Westerners don't accept such things and in general it's made to seem delusional and something to be scared of.

What Lola has offered to do, pray for you, is something that can be very positive. I say that even though I am a tsiehta.

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I think they maybe gave me a total of say 4 hours worth of meditation lessons to us in school during my tenure there.  I never took to it due to my Christian convictions.  If I were too take up transcendental meditation I’m fairly sure that I’d be taken to one side by the church eldership for some spiritual council.


That’s an anagram of atheist right?

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Meditation and Religion share very little in common. Where'd this notion come from ? There exists no conflict for co-existence.

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The Transcendental Meditation technique or TM is a form of silent mantra meditation, developed by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. The meditation practice involves the use of a mantra and is practiced for 20 minutes twice per day while sitting with one's eyes closed.

The technique has been described as both religious and non-religious, as an aspect of a new religious movement, as rooted in Hinduismand as a non-religious practice for self-development.