...to do this you would need to know its position and velocity at the start time, and the more accurately you know one of those, the less accurately you know the other.
u cant use heisenbobs principle to predict the future. my gaw, we have enuf problems predicting yesterday with fax. i dont mean a fax fax. i mean facts.
and idt elroch is doing that (#1913), right elroch ?
Too many brain cells may become stressed, to contemplate the Cosmos Origin. (If it had one). Has to be either designed or by default- chance. Thinking these are but the two existing possibilities is so typical of Western thought. Rather shallow and limiting in scope.
Ha ha ....
Seems someone else is stuck
must be Either-
Or
is this deductive reasoning from The Far Side Gallery ?
it’s seems familiar.
or elroch is your hero and anything you don’t understand gets the haha roflmao treatment ?
Heisenbob has a Dilemma-
To predict future uncertainty seems quite impossible, as any prediction made is uncertain !
what I really luv though is how the guys unable to get into the thread brandish the troll word with a bunch of hahas.
Elroch is trying to bamboozle is with basic physics implying somehow the uncertainty principle is relative to randomness. Science IS able to measure both speed and location very accurately- just not at the same Time. This is a function of time and unrelated to whether or not events occurred randomly.
No, I described a specific fact about the future: where is a specified particle (for simplicity in empty space with nothing interacting with it) going to be at a specific time in the future. This is fundamentally impossible (without fixing the result - akin to altering a coin toss to suit a prediction!)
Note also that things get worse if you would like everything to be deterministic (i.e. not random) that is because as well as the issue of randomness in all of the parts, there is also the general fact that the second law of thermodynamics applies. This law is usually expressed as "entropy increases", so when you remember that entropy is the quantity of randomness, you will see it also says "randomness increases".
entropy hasta do w/ heat, right ? i mean u guys taught me that a long time ago. so why cant we run a test by getting the temp to near AZ ? and try2record stuff going on atta more manageable S & T frames.
smart ppl have already done this, right ?
and since they say the ave temp of the U is...
Considering that Big Bang was the reason behind creation of universe , we know that radiation was left over after Big Bang and based on measurements of cosmic microwave background radiation (CMBR) the average temperature of the universe today is approximately 2.73 kelvins or −270.42 °C or −454.76 °F .
...so kinda hard to believe that theres much going on out there in aetherland.
Take it easy 2nd day Henry I had a singular laugh over your notion. I’ll point out another either or that Elroch suggests - things are either deterministic or not. Yet another example of limited and constricting thought. People see as they wish. Things lie at either end of imagined spectrum.
If something is deterministic, you can predict it with 100% success. Either you can do this or you cannot: there is no middle ground.
However, if you mean that something can be partially random, that is unquestionably so, and covers most of the real world. So I agree with what I guess you had in mind, but not with the way you expressed this (if you say something is deterministic, this means it has no randomness).
entropy hasta do w/ heat, right ? i mean u guys taught me that a long time ago. so why cant we run a test by getting the temp to near AZ ? and try2record stuff going on at more manageable S & T frames.
smart ppl have already done this, right ?
"AZ" I deciphered, but S and T are not clear to me. Nor exactly what you imagine being done. Do elaborate if you like.
The idea of entropy arose in classical thermodynamics, but this led to a more general definition in terms of the quantum states of a system. For example, one such microstate would correspond to specifying the combined states of all the molecules in a container of gas.
No middle ground hey ? Precisely why Any discussion becomes a dead end. It sure appears E has all his science text books copied, ready for pasting. Anywho, stuff is neither deterministic nor random. Wrong terms.
The beginning of this world and of life is inconceivable since they have neither beginning nor end. The world was not created once upon a time, but the world is constantly being created millions of times every second and will always continue to do so.
"Real world simple examples seem to be avoided here."
a falling star ..but not showers
i mean.. if you just sit there mind your business and all of a sudden you notice a falling star, its so random and fast, that even your wish is kinda subconscious?
but when its showers you just watch the sky expecting them, so its not so random.
maybe that will take you off the falling leafs 
If something is deterministic, you can predict it with 100% success. Either you can do this or you cannot: there is no middle ground.
wait a sec. grey is real. wut would u call being able to predict exacts for 20 secs then get disappearance for 20 secs then 20 secs of 100% complete description ?
S & T is space & time
yea, we'll have to talk about determinism again, but my guess is that elroch will redefine it : )
Ha ha ....
Seems someone else is stuck
must be Either-
Or