Global Warming

Hey, guys...I was just wondering if we could have an online debate about Global Warming...just a fun discussion on what the cause is, what we should do about it, and why it is happening.  Let's make this insult free and keep it friendly

Let's do this,

ssnyder

Good luck with that.

If there is global and I mean GLOBAL warming, not isolated pockets of warmth, it is not caused by man to any point that is going to cause any of the destruction Al Gore's movie claims.

His science is just bad, bad, bad. His lack of any serious statistical evidence to go along with the computer models and such should have raised eyebrows long ago. 

Consider:

The last ten years have shown no appreciable warming of the planet

The last seven years have shown there has been measurable cooling

The polar ice caps have been adding ice 

The clips of sheets of ice shown falling off ice cliffs in "An Inconvenient Truth" were taken from a Hollywood film and were computer generated.

Virtually none of the predictions that were supposed to have happened by now have

Hurricanes that were supposed to destroy the Middle Atlantic Ocean never happened.

Al Gore has refused, patently refused to debate ANYONE about his contentions and has labeled those that disagree with him as oil company shills. That's a load of crap. Vaclav Havel has much to say about this as does Richard Lonborg and hundreds of other scientists that are tired of being shut up.

The whole thing has made Al Gore rich.

I agree completely with princetrumpet.  gore has too much to lose if he debates anyone. global warming is baloney; in fact there are probably as many scientists who say it is nonsense as those who claim it's real.

Here's what inflames the passion I have about this issue, freezenyr: the stunning amount of money that has been aimed at this and turned into public policy is maddening. We now have corn reaching such high prices because it's being turned into ethanol in order to feed cars not people that the Mexicans are suffering financially. We have gotten away from the idea of conservation as just a good thing to do because it's being touted as important in the fight against Global Warming®. Oh, and by the way... the bait and switch of Climate Change® as a stupendous "cover your a$$" move was inspired, I must say. If it gets warm, it's Global Warming®, if it gets cold, it's Global Warming®. Either way they win! Brilliant. I wish I'd thought of it myself. I'd be a millionaire living in Tennessee in an energy-consuming mansion instead of a green ranch in Crawford, Texas.

 You have a very good argument, princetrumpet, but we have an overwhelming amount of evidence to support our view.  I agree that Al Gore is quite a bit over the top, but we still must do what we can to stop the progress.  First the Arctic Glaciers will melt, then the sea levels will rise enough to swamp some coastland villages, and it will all just get worse!  My belief, personally, is that the cause for Global Warming falls more on the shoulders of Man than on natural causes.  But I also believe that it is a combination of these two factors.  What is more, it combines both sides of the 'Cause' argument.

I would be happy to read the evidence you claim supports your view. The predictions you make aren't enough. I can predict also but it means nothing without statistics, historical analysis, and consistent, accurately placed temperature readings. 

Again, and this is a big "again"... we need to discuss GLOBAL warming not isolated pockets of warming and not Climate Change®. The climate has been changing since time immemorial. 

The first thing you might want to defend is the so-called Hockey Stick analysis which is probably the worst of the "evidence" Gore cites. Also, just when can we expect all of the catastrophes you mentioned to be taking place? According to ted Turner, we will be underwater in 40 years. That's convenient since he'll likely be dead by that time and unable to field questions about it if it doesn't happen. So will Gore. 

Speaking of which: why won't he debate anyone who feels otherwise?

its not that hot...... I meen ice is building up in Alaska so wy wont it be building in the north and south poles

I am clarifying right now that I do not support Al Gore's views.  However, Global Warming is realer than you may think.  You ask for evidence?  Go to any online search engine and they'll give you a million and one facts and myths about Global Warming.

your funny

SSnyder,

This is precisely the problem with this debate: everyone has "evidence" they believe in. Yet, the evidence cited by the believers is very poor because it lacks depth on key issues. 

Why have we had no warming in the last ten years?

Why have the last seven years shown COOLING globally?

Why is the Arctic adding ice?

Why is there a loss of polar ice caps on Mars?

Why am I sitting in minus twelve degree weather in Minneapolis? 

You say you're not an Al Gore fan. Okay, fine. Like it or don't, since he is the most widely recognized proponent of man-made Global Warming® why is he not called to question by the media. Why is everyone so ready to accept his version of things and why won't he debate?

Why is your side so willing to accept the findings of the IPCC which is made up of very few scientists? It's made up of politicians and people with agendas.

The era of the man-made Global Warming® scam is over. Only the politicians who want to keep it as an election issue will use it. If you wish to educate yourself, read "The Deniers" and you'll know what happens to scientists that have dared to go against the grain and question authority. It's very dangerous and smacks of witch hunting.

I am going to suggest that you find the debate group. It is better off if you do it there. At least the arguments here have been pretty mature, but the debate group is the same way, at least it was when i last checked.

I like you 

the gigs up it is getting cooler 

There is no such thing as global warming. Chuck Norris was cold, so he turned the sun up.

Okay,the last one was a joke.

If you count my years as a student I been involved in climatology since the early 1980's.  I have been a professional since 1986 and am a member of the American Meteorological Society and the National Weather Association. After the last IPCC set of findings there were over 600 notable scientist publicly criticizing the assertions made.

This debate is far from over. Even in a discussion about scientific fact there is much emotion.  Good luck.

Even though the Chuck Norris comment is meant to be a joke there is a grain of truth in it. The driving force on Earths climate is the sun, the amout of sloar energy the earth recives is the primary agent on our climate.

Mangy Moose,

There's an article that came out very recently in IBD called "The Warm Turns". Check it out, you'll get a kick out of it.

For most of the US and the world, this has been one of the colder autumns in well over a decade with reports of snow and plummeting temps ALL OVER THE WORLD. In the US, the Nat'l Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration registered 115 LOWEST-EVER temps for the month. It's likely that 2008 will go down as the coldest year in the US since 1997. The earth ended up with as much sea ice as we had in 1979.

Had enough yet, Snyder? Seriously, you've been fed a bill of goods and you should be angry about it.

I'm not angry.  It's just that I know that in the long run, we will see who's right.

"If you're not angry, you're not paying attention." One of my favorite bumper stickers the left puts out along with "Question authority!" The left needs to take its own advice.

True enough, regarding the "long run", but that's just the problem with your argument. As with the last ten years, the climate is made of cyclical events that have myriad causes. Some cycles are solar-induced and very short while others are longer. What's the long run, 50 years or 50,000,000 years? If it's 50 million, well, doggone it, you'll be proven right... then again maybe I will. Meanwhile, you're about to socked with yet another gas tax to combat something over which we have little control. We'll pay and pay and pay and have no control over our climate.

That doesn't make you angry? You must not be paying income taxes. Are you in school? 

Here's a question: Please tell me the direct effects you, personally, have suffered from Global Warming®. Not what you've read about but what you personally have had to deal with because of man-made Global Warming®. When you've listed the harm that's come to you, please prove that it was caused by man. That's all I'm asking.

Income taxes are caused by man, and so are gas prices, princetrumpet.

In conclusion of this debate, I firmly admit that your argument was the better.  In fact, I am only a sophmore in highschool, but my family has been directly affected by income taxes and gas prices.  And I have had to deal with the overwhelming amount of stress that comes with them.

I respect your point of view on this issue, and again I admit that you are much more learned on this subject.

Good job.

Thanks, you are a gentleman. I was very serious about reading the book, "The Deniers." You will be shocked and amazed at how we have been lied to and will also have a wealth of information that may serve you well for a school report that will turn heads. It was written by Lawrence Solomon. "The Great Global Warming Swindle" is also a tremendous video to watch as a secondary source of good information. 

Also read the writings of Bjorn Lonborg. He's a tremendous writer and, again, you'll be shocked at what a scam this has been.