Global warming - an urgent problem requiring radical solution (no politics or religion)

Why in the world do (some) people inside this thread think its burgeoning, overflowing, (bait & switch) text will be somehow be disciplined by the "spam police" on this site?

If you believe the above proposition, I have a bridge in NYC I would like to sell to you -- "Real Cheap," naturally.

Fester, this is the specific post. The comment about glacial and inter glacial periods was followed by Elrochs comment specifically about THAT particular comment. No mention made in the original comment about current climate change. In fact, the original comment, as you can see, includes referring to glaciers and inter glacial.

I've said this before. The rapid global climate warmup is proven science. The earth being a sphere is proven science and beyond obvious. 9/11 happened just like hundreds of millions of people saw it. Covid and the vaccine were not a contrivance of a corrupt government.

All these things have a connecting thread in the minds of people who claim they are conspiracies: Mistrust of government and it has become global due to the internet and purveyors of nonsense.

However, hearing something repeated over long periods of time create a new reality for the gullible and ignorant people who feed on it.

I personally believe it's beyond the scope of the best intentioned and most informed to fix this.

This thread is but a tiny sample of this. The same people, for months and longer, continue to ignore any effort to present facts and proofs. Their opinions are cast in stone while based on evidence as flimsy as personal vision put their window.

I, for one, am tired of the repitition contained in this thread.

Repeating your dishonest claim only makes you more foolish. You know what he meant. Just stop the sham.

It is only people who don't understand that discussions are about concepts and the purpose of labels (words and phrases) is to refer to those concepts who insist on using a label to refer to something else, and then claiming that irrelevant statement is relevant.

Let me try to help IfPatriotGames. When you are discussing a concept, a statement about something different is irrelevant even if you use the same label for it.

Comprendo?

A non-leading question "What is the cheapest type of new generating capacity across the world?" answers your question in a balanced way.

I would imagine the production of mass amounts of the gas required to make a noticeable dent would be quite expensive and difficult, although I'm not extremely educated on the topic.

Also it would require a lot of energy input as well, which would probably make it less efficient

"Breaking apart the C from the O2" requires more energy than you got from creating the CO2 in the first place. This makes it impossible to be a viable approach. Carbon sequestration is viable only because it can take substantially less energy to store CO2 than you got from making it. So that is the real technology that is worth considering.

There is a subtle exception. Vegetation does something similar, taking CO2 and reducing it to things like cellulose. To do so it uses solar energy. In principle, it is much more inefficient than using the same solar energy (eg via PV) to replace the energy that created the CO2 from fossil fuels, so avoiding the need, but obviously vegetation has a valid role for other reasons.

Still, it is true that displacing the production is much more of the solution than dealing with the CO2 later.

If it was 40% the atmosphere would catch fire during thunderstorms. That would be suboptimal.

As present-day chemistry knows of no such magical substance, perhaps you might discover or create it.

The Quaternary ice age has been going on for about 2,600,000 years (according to the internet). It has had numerous increases and decreases. Once stable conditions are reached for thousands of years (as has been the case for the last 8,000 years) the usual pattern is a reversal in temperature. So as we have reached a stable warm period, evidence suggests the next change will be cooling.

Even though this is by far the most likely course of events, there could be some other cosmic event occurring of which humans are unaware. Perhaps Venusians are running out of space on their planet and are beaming a heat ray at Earth to warm it sufficiently to support Venusians lifeforms.

That's not bad.
How many more pounds to get off?
Hot humid summer coming up where you are.
Lots of electrolytes is good. Especially after.
My favorite was Tropicana chunky orange juice. Bought it in half gallon cartons.
No added sugar. No carbonation. No caffeine.
Gave me unlimited energy for running biking walking tennis even in the worst humid pressure-cooker 90 degree plus New York City summers. Which extended May - September.

How splendid!

The fact that it wouldn't work - doesn't make it a bad post.
In other words its bringing up a legitimate although impractical hypothetical.
And EE - you've got 'the right idea' this time in terms of you recognizing that the union of the C and the O2 up there in the form of billions of tons of extra CO2 added each year is what is causing the enormous and increasing trouble of manmade climate change.
This time.
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Regarding figuring out some efficient and direct way of attacking the extra CO2 up there maybe they'll come up with some way to do that eventually.
But in the meantime its a very mean time.
And the key continues to be to greatly reduce the amount of extra CO2 being dumped up there.
So that nature and vegetation can then do their job of getting rid of that extra CO2 in a natural way and fast enough.
The shape of the key is known - but figuratively speaking - hasn't been turned in the lock because it hasn't been built yet.
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side notes:
'extra' is a Latin word that was apparently spelled and pronounced the same in ancient Rome.
'alibi' is another latin word but its pronounced differently than then it seems.
Long I at the end instead of 'ee'.
And Prius. the well known EV car.
with 'prius' being used in legal terminology like in 'nisi prius'. Not in common usage.
But prius was apparently a common word in ancient Rome.
Meaning 'before'

What claim? Elroch made the claim "no it simply aint" when referring to the glacial comment. I'm not making any claim other than quoting Elroch. Well, I guess I'm making the claim that I believe global cooling has, and is, caused by interglacial periods.

I KNOW he feels like modern climate change is human caused. But that wasn't the comment, or the reply.

I guess that's the part I don't get. If the temperature has been stable for the last 8,000 how do things like ancient cities end up 100 feet underwater? To me that indicates warming, not stable or cooling. What evidence suggests things should be cooling?

when its pursued as to exactly who said what and what somebody meant as if this was a military tribunal courtroom - that sounds like something the tag team of f and d would pursue.
(sometimes its good to give them some of their own medicine though - but not on their terms.)
But Elroch is much more civil than those two.
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Its similiar to 'my scientific sources and links are better than your scientific sources and links!' battles that happen year in year out on the internet.
Usually once somebody's mind is made up they're not going to change their mind.
Realizing that and accepting it can lead to less stress instead of more.

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Note: few experts think Yonaguni is man-made: there is no archaeological evidence for that, and most think it is is an unusual rock formation (a bit like the Giant's Causeway).

I am getting bored of the repeated error (to be polite).

The comment was about global warming, the rise in temperature experienced by the world since the industrial revolution. This is human-caused. It is definitely not caused by what you said.

These are not feelings, they are scientific facts. It's like I don't "feel" that atoms have a nucleus surrounded by electrons, I know this based on reliable scientific knowledge. I think you would agree you have a lot less of this.