Global warming - an urgent problem requiring radical solution (no politics or religion)
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Pile_Of_Dirt wrote:
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It might be worth blocking anyone with "DM me the word frog for a surprise" as their profile tagline, since accounts with this tagline are spamming here and elsewhere.
Jun 18, 2025
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#31065
mpaetz wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
mpaetz wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
mpaetz wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
But those are local climates, not global ones. Nobody is suggesting that the local climate in Antarctica can be experienced in the locality of Multnomah County. The claim was that GLOBAL climate (not local climate) cannot be experienced locally.
So if global climate cannot be experienced locally, there is nothing to worry about.
Incorrect. You mistake a statement of the obvious fact that no one can experience the climate all over the world from one small location to mean that change in global climate cannot affect that small location. Less precipitation in the Rocky Mountains in British Columbia and in the Cascade Range could dramatically lower the flow of water in your area and affect your ability to irrigate your land.
Well I'm confused. The examples you gave, in my opinion, were local climates. But you say "incorrect". Are the examples you gave global climates???
Yes, climate varies from place to place. As the overall climate of planet Earth changes (as you repeatedly point out it does) then local climates will be affected, in different ways. Whether or not you can see the change in global climate from your front porch doesn't mean it will not affect you, so yes, global climate change is something to worry about.
If you mean something else by "global climate" please explain.
OK. So your answer to my question is "yes". The examples you gave are in fact global climates. The local rainfall, the local heat, those are global climates.
So if the examples you gave are indeed global climates how in the world does the claim that global climates cannot be experienced locally make any sense? I mean AT ALL?
You gave examples of local climates, local situations, local weather. And you are saying "yes" those are examples of global climate. And yet, somehow, that local (global} climate cannot be experienced locally???
If local climate cannot be experienced locally, which climate exactly CAN by experienced locally?
I notice you dodged the question about what YOU mean by "global climate". How can anyone answer the questions you pose if you do not elucidate what it is that you are talking about?
If we follow your logic, it seems that there is no such thing as global climate change (although you have repeatedly pointed out that such change has happened naturally many times). Under your theory people in the area we now call Quebec 50,000 years ago wouldn't have to worry that the global temperature was declining, as they couldn't experience global climate change. Imagine their surprise when their homeland was under immense sheets of ice.
But you say that was only local climate change, so the people in North Africa shouldn't have had to worry that trapping so much of the planet's water in ice sheets would dry out their homeland, killing the plant life they (and the animals they hunted) lived on. And not to worry when the global warming came along and changed the plains where they lived into the Sahara Desert. And people in low-lying coastal areas wouldn't be affected when the melting glaciers in some other locality raised sea levels a few hundred feet.
Global climate is the sum and average of all local climates. Global climate change WILL result in changing conditions everywhere. In some place the change will be negligible, in other places it will be severe.
Incidentally, measuring and comparing all these variations and changes as we have been doing IS statistics.
It is a fact that are people who are incapable of understanding that the global climate is the combination of all of the local climates, a very complex object. But I am not sure they even have a good grasp of what the global average mean surface temperature is (a much simpler, derived entity).
Jun 18, 2025
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#31066
Pile_Of_Dirt wrote:
#31097 funny your reporting me for no reason lol
He did not refer to reporting, just blocking.
I'm blocking you for posting BS in this thread.
Pile_Of_Dirt wrote:
#31097 funny your reporting me for no reason lol
Are you aware that posting the word "dirt" repeatedly in a thread with no reason or context is against the Terms of Service you agreed to when you made your account? As is spamming any other nonsense text, images, etc. So, yes, there is a reason. Just be aware that every time you (and others) do this on various threads, you probably get reported...and most people will not bother to tell you that they are reporting you. Enough reports, and you will get muted.
A forum thread is not your personal playground or source of amusement. It is tolerated more often on non-serious threads, so maybe stick to those.
For all the people who ask,.."what's this thread about"? Its sapost to be about climate & global warming but to get that,...you have to use "The Parallax View". 
RonaldJosephCote wrote:
For all the people who ask,.."what's this thread about"? Its sapost to be about climate & global warming but to get that,...you have to use "The Parallax View".
Or rose colored glasses. Which is red with 25% white.
Jun 18, 2025
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#31072
silllyguy wrote:
We need to turn garbage into energy
It would happen if it was economical. Same thing with sewage.
Economical meaning - makes money.
But they don't. And they don't save money either.
So - not happening.
Jun 18, 2025
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#31073
More news about the approaching heat wave in the US.
Temperatures might exceed 100 degrees in many parts of the country but with high humidity too which increases the heat index.
Also the lows at night will be elevated too which is also threatening because of the lack of relief.
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ABC’s Good Morning America reported that nearly 90 million Americans are under heat alerts, with triple-digit temperatures expected.
NBC and CBS morning/evening news have also aired segments with heat safety advice, guidance on hydration, and warnings about the heat dome .
The AP reports a vast heat dome is forming over the country, trapping heat and moisture—leading to “dangerously high temperatures and extreme humidity” from the Midwest into the Northeast next week
Temperatures in the Midwest are expected to reach the upper 90s °F with heat index values that could feel 20°F hotter
These conditions are forecast to persist into next week, affecting cities like Denver, Chicago, Washington, D.C., and New York.
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perhaps many people will be cavalier about it and just say:
'So we get some July temperatures in June' and shrug shoulders.
RonaldJosephCote wrote:
They need to hurry. One of the threats of prolonged heat waves is power brown outs.
A/C is a large drain on the grid and peak usage 24 hours/day for a week will likely cause scattered outages.
Good news or bad?
China is flooding the market in one of the largest growth areas for EVs. The largest of China's fleet of cargo ships just delivered 20,000 new, cheap electric vehicles to Brazil, one of the few countries not heavily taxing Chinese imports. This is threatening the EV industry in that country.
Meanwhile in China their own EV market is struggling to compete, dropping prices to near non- profit levels. Some entry level EVs are selling at less than $10,000 usd.
Many countries are taxing Chinese imports to protect their own manufacturers. The US has a 100% import tax, doubling the price.
If unfettered, Chinese EVs would stand alone and flood the world with cheap electric vehicles.
A good thing for clean air. A very bad thing for employment.
Someone is making them.
Jun 19, 2025
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#31078
The US has no employment problem currently. It has what is technically defined as full employment. This does not mean that everyone is working, it means that almost everyone who wants to work is working.
Manufacturing jobs in the US earn on average less than jobs in general. This is one reason to be cautious about trying to radically grow the manufacturing sector. To be more like China? Where people earn 1/3 as much as the US on average?
Incidentally, I think it is a good thing to support strategically important industries. Cars don't actually fall into that category.
BYD is now the world's largest EV manufacturer (and may eventually be the world's largest auto manufacturer) for a reason: it is the most competitive. High quality and low cost. It hasn't always been - the quality has taken time to develop, there was a time when they only had the low cost.
A good way to deal with that is to incentivise the company to manufacture in your own country in various ways (tariffs may not be enough, especially if badly designed). While it could raise the costs of vehicles compared to importing, it's not as bad as forcing out the competition with tariffs and encouraging low quality and low value, and if you want to manufacturing jobs, it provides them.
BYD is just getting a hold in the UK. Last year they had 0.45% of the total car market, in the first quarter of this year it was 1.4%, a quadrupling. Globally they hit over 5% last year (mostly in China).
In Brazil BYD has 8% of the EV market.
The "full employment" status in the US does not consider who is doing what. In the past 50 years or so, blue color work, which encompasses a huge number of job descriptions from janitorial to high tech, has seen a decrease in average pay since many higher paying jobs like manufacturing have disappeared and been replaced by service jobs paying less. It is only in the past 10 years or less than average blue collar income has increased but still does not keep up with inflation, especially in these past few months.
If the auto industry declines due to cheap imports it will not bode well for wealth in the US working class.
Can you comprehend what the AI told you?
it's all about lies
What are the two meanings of lies? Two meanings:
a. : an assertion of something known or believed by the speaker or writer to be untrue with intent to deceive. He told a lie to avoid punishment.
b. : an untrue or inaccurate statement that may or may not be believed true by the speaker or writer.