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#105
Feufollet wrote:
It doesn't matter how many ways I try to communicate my experience, trysts...your own vehemence (yours and other atheists, I've noticed), are extremely closed to it.
For example, I speak of "experience", the one - sred - calls it "hallucination", the other, you, trysts, calls it "dreams"...it is quite condescending (I'd feel offended, if there was any fear of intellectual insuperiority on my part. but there isn't )
also, you keep saying how "I come up with the idea" or "forming it myself"....and I keep trying to convey to you that it isn't something " I formed", "came up with", "invented", or "created"...
It's like you've so boxed yourselves up within your own intellectual limitations that nothing outside that can exist.
I don't know why the discussion would have anything to do with feelings of superiority? But "intellectual limitations"? Perhaps. You say something exists without any sense data to corroborate it. There is no attempt at physical evidence to capture it. It's existence claim is negated and you seem surprised by it? Yes, my understanding from here is limited.
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#106
"Over judged?" Too much wine after my father's death last week. He must be throwing things at me from Valhalla.
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#107
You have experienced "love" for another human being, trysts?
Do you have any physical evidence, data of this feeling?
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#109
Feufollet wrote:
You have experienced "love" for another human being, trysts?
Do you have any physical evidence, data of this feeling?
"Love" is a word used for communicating what one person feels for another person, persons, or things. It is a word of evaluation. The variety of feelings involved are simplified to one word. The existence of those feelings are within oneself. Gods are supposedly not just a variety of feelings particular to the person having them, but instead an actual Being, or so the rumour goes
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#110
Thanks Feufollet, ha had a nice enough, long enough life. Died an agnostic, as near as I can tell. We didn't discuss religion much until the last few years, and very little even then.
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#112
trysts wrote:
Feufollet wrote:
You have experienced "love" for another human being, trysts?
Do you have any physical evidence, data of this feeling?
"Love" is a word used for communicating what one person feels for another person, persons, or things. It is a word of evaluation. The variety of feelings involved are simplified to one word. The existence of those feelings are within oneself. Gods are supposedly not just a variety of feelings particular to the person having them, but instead an actual Being, or so the rumour goes
Ah, see. Now it is you who is defining what God is.
I never told you what God is to me. But you expressed it almost better than I ever could "feelings particular to the person having them".
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#113
Let's start a "definition of God(s) topic for that conversation. Or maybe I should just drop out of this one...
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#115
Then you have taken the word "god" for something which is not a Being. When most people speak of gods they are referring to a Being which exists in spite of you existing. So is it a case of miscommunication?
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#116
bordlyron wrote:
Let's start a "definition of God(s) topic for that conversation.
I think it should be made more clear, yes:)
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#117
Islam, Judaism, and Christianity's God is no mystery...
I have not studied them...but, from whatever exposure I've had to them, appears to be a vengeful, cruel, intolerant God that dishes out punishments and rewards....
It has nothing to do with my own feelings of what God is.
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#118
trysts wrote:
Then you have taken the word "god" for something which is not a Being. When most people speak of gods they are referring to a Being which exists in spite of you existing. So is it a case of miscommunication?
Perhaps. I'm still trying to figure out what it is that I am experiencing.
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#119
Feufollet wrote:
Islam, Judaism, and Christianity's God is no mystery...
I have not studied them...but, from whatever exposure I've had to them, appears to be a vengeful, cruel, intolerant God that dishes out punishments and rewards....
It has nothing to do with my own feelings of what God is.
Apparently your own feelings is what you call "god"? That's a little odd.
@bordlyron
you call the exchange we've been having "virulent"? LOL