Everyday society probably would be safer without firearms. If I said more we'd likely be diving back into the 2nd Amendment hole again and it's scary in there. There's an elephant lurking in there that nobody has mentioned yet and he's best left undisturbed.
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Dec 17, 2021
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#543
CannedAsparagus wrote:
Baptistpatriot wrote:
CannedAsparagus wrote:
If every firearm in the US would magically disappear, would that make society safer or less safer?
I will respond with a few questions of my own: throughout history, have human beings been killing each other with or without firearms, and even prior to the existence of firearms?
Another good question: what has been the result all through history when an unarmed or close to unarmed populace have been ruled by an armed government?
Here's another: taking firearms out of the equation, how many different types of weapons and/or work tools that can be used to kill are there currently in existence?
Another: do people have hands and feet?
Another: can human beings be beaten to death by fists and feet?
I could go on.
So your point is that it would be equally violent and geared towards murder? Because humans never changed since the dawn of time ...
If I were an American citizen, I would absolutely own a gun, too, don't get me wrong. But only because a huge percentage of your citizenry is armed, too ...
I'd wager however that it's more difficult and requires more self-conviction to kill with a knife or your own limbs. Thus people would be just as bad, but the homicide rate would drop. A humble hypothesis of mine.
(I simply didn't want to start a new thread for my gun-related question, but I'm curious what others might have to say.)
I respect your hypothesis, but it has been proven wrong on multiple occasions throughout history. For instance, here in the US, more murders are committed each year with knives, fists and feet, and blunt force instruments than with rifles. And besides, owning a firearm creates a check on crime that is rarely discussed. A person is less likely to mug a little old lady for her purse if there is a chance that little old lady may just have a gun in her purse that she will use to defend herself.
And besides, there is another good reason for a legally armed populace: an armed population is governed by their own consent. An unarmed population is ruled in spite of their feelings on the matter.
Uh oh, the elephant...
What are your guys thoughts on the kolashnikova series?
Dec 17, 2021
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#546
Baptistpatriot wrote:
CannedAsparagus wrote:
Baptistpatriot wrote:
CannedAsparagus wrote:
If every firearm in the US would magically disappear, would that make society safer or less safer?
I will respond with a few questions of my own: throughout history, have human beings been killing each other with or without firearms, and even prior to the existence of firearms?
Another good question: what has been the result all through history when an unarmed or close to unarmed populace have been ruled by an armed government?
Here's another: taking firearms out of the equation, how many different types of weapons and/or work tools that can be used to kill are there currently in existence?
Another: do people have hands and feet?
Another: can human beings be beaten to death by fists and feet?
I could go on.
So your point is that it would be equally violent and geared towards murder? Because humans never changed since the dawn of time ...
If I were an American citizen, I would absolutely own a gun, too, don't get me wrong. But only because a huge percentage of your citizenry is armed, too ...
I'd wager however that it's more difficult and requires more self-conviction to kill with a knife or your own limbs. Thus people would be just as bad, but the homicide rate would drop. A humble hypothesis of mine.
(I simply didn't want to start a new thread for my gun-related question, but I'm curious what others might have to say.)
For instance, here in the US, more murders are committed each year with knives, fists and feet, and blunt force instruments than with rifles.
Interesting, how media can distort reality. If that's true (and why should you lie?), you seriously changed how I view your country in regard to gun violence. In our news outlets the US is regularly portrayed as a, well how shall I put it, a dangerous hellhole on the brink of civil war. And I have NO intention to denigrate your home with these words ... Until now I was under the impression that guns were responsible for like 80% of all murders in the US, but you've made me think just now ...
MURICA GUNS MURICA MURICA MURICA MURICA MURICA MURICAMURIa
When I hear about anti-gun measures it always seems to me to be treating the symptom and not the illness. The illness being whatever is wrong in our society that creates so many with little regard for life. I'm sure that could be a monumental thread in itself. As for me, "I yam what I yam" and with any luck I'll be dead and gone before that society rolls me over.
NicoDgreat11 wrote:
MURICA GUNS MURICA MURICA MURICA MURICA MURICA MURICAMURIa
It is kind of sad that guns are being used for this purpose at all, so that people think that is what they are used for.
Dec 17, 2021
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#551
CannedAsparagus wrote:
Baptistpatriot wrote:
CannedAsparagus wrote:
Baptistpatriot wrote:
CannedAsparagus wrote:
If every firearm in the US would magically disappear, would that make society safer or less safer?
I will respond with a few questions of my own: throughout history, have human beings been killing each other with or without firearms, and even prior to the existence of firearms?
Another good question: what has been the result all through history when an unarmed or close to unarmed populace have been ruled by an armed government?
Here's another: taking firearms out of the equation, how many different types of weapons and/or work tools that can be used to kill are there currently in existence?
Another: do people have hands and feet?
Another: can human beings be beaten to death by fists and feet?
I could go on.
So your point is that it would be equally violent and geared towards murder? Because humans never changed since the dawn of time ...
If I were an American citizen, I would absolutely own a gun, too, don't get me wrong. But only because a huge percentage of your citizenry is armed, too ...
I'd wager however that it's more difficult and requires more self-conviction to kill with a knife or your own limbs. Thus people would be just as bad, but the homicide rate would drop. A humble hypothesis of mine.
(I simply didn't want to start a new thread for my gun-related question, but I'm curious what others might have to say.)
For instance, here in the US, more murders are committed each year with knives, fists and feet, and blunt force instruments than with rifles.
Interesting, how media can distort reality. If that's true (and why should you lie?), you seriously changed how I view your country in regard to gun violence. In our news outlets the US is regularly portrayed as a, well how shall I put it, a dangerous hellhole on the brink of civil war. And I have NO intention to denigrate your home with these words ... Until now I was under the impression that guns were responsible for like 80% of all murders in the US, but you've made me think just now ...
Roughly 55 to 65 percent of all homicides each year are committed using pistols. Most of those weapons are illegally obtained on the black market. Honestly we don't need more restrictions on legal firearm ownership and sale. What we need is proper enforcement of laws already on the books, and better policing. Case in point, Chicago: it has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, and yet it is a cesspool of gang related firearms violence.
Here’s another one for you as far as America’s gun violence:
That huge hunger of gun deaths you see? The number they live to throw around?
60% of that are suic1des. And I think we all know you don’t need a gun to commit suic1de .
“There were 39,707 deaths from firearms in the U.S. in 2019. Sixty percent of deaths from firearms in the U.S. are suic1des.”
https://health.ucdavis.edu/what-you-can-do/facts.html
That huge hunger of gun deaths you see? The number they live to throw around?
60% of that are suic1des. And I think we all know you don’t need a gun to commit suic1de .
“There were 39,707 deaths from firearms in the U.S. in 2019. Sixty percent of deaths from firearms in the U.S. are suic1des.”
https://health.ucdavis.edu/what-you-can-do/facts.html
Remember a single terrorist in Nice, France, used a TRUCK resulting in the deaths of 86 people and the injury of 458 others.
No masks shooting cones close.
A psycho will find a way to kill and often the only way to stop him/her is with a firearm.
No masks shooting cones close.
A psycho will find a way to kill and often the only way to stop him/her is with a firearm.
Dec 17, 2021
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#554
Baptistpatriot wrote:
Another good question: what has been the result all through history when an unarmed or close to unarmed populace have been ruled by an armed government?
You mean... like in Canada? Or the UK? Both of which have far stricter gun laws than the USA.
Are both of these countries tyrannies, ruthlessly repressing their unarmed citizens?
Well they can jail you for teaching your DOG to perform a nazi salute.
They can take your $ and threaten jail time if you misgender someone.
In Australia they can put you in interment camps against your will even if you are Covid negative.
Basically they take your guns and then they take whatever they want.
And don’t be so short sighted and think only about yourself:
Just because there is no tyrannical ruler willing to impose draconian measures on you NOW does not mean one will not arise in the future.
Without weapons what will you do to resist?
Protest in the street and hold a sign with a catchy slogan?
Good luck with that.
They can take your $ and threaten jail time if you misgender someone.
In Australia they can put you in interment camps against your will even if you are Covid negative.
Basically they take your guns and then they take whatever they want.
And don’t be so short sighted and think only about yourself:
Just because there is no tyrannical ruler willing to impose draconian measures on you NOW does not mean one will not arise in the future.
Without weapons what will you do to resist?
Protest in the street and hold a sign with a catchy slogan?
Good luck with that.
…that’s a pretty open ended Q. Lots going on.
Chess, Covid, A president who can’t remember his own name, Nick Sandman just settled with NBC….
Chess, Covid, A president who can’t remember his own name, Nick Sandman just settled with NBC….
I respect your answer gomer. For some people it would be difficult to decide if it’s the right thing to do in the heat of the moment, wether they should fire or not. Luckily as someone without a gun it’s not a predicament I am ever going to be in. I don’t have to choose wether to kill or not.
If you were in America and some meth head was banging on your door at 3am convinced purple dinosaurs were chasing him and YOU sent them you’d probably be happy to have a shotgun
I can imagine meth heads come looking for you a lot Pete? Did you sell them the drugs?
If every firearm in the US would magically disappear, would that make society safer or less safer?
I will respond with a few questions of my own: throughout history, have human beings been killing each other with or without firearms, and even prior to the existence of firearms?
Another good question: what has been the result all through history when an unarmed or close to unarmed populace have been ruled by an armed government?
Here's another: taking firearms out of the equation, how many different types of weapons and/or work tools that can be used to kill are there currently in existence?
Another: do people have hands and feet?
Another: can human beings be beaten to death by fists and feet?
I could go on.
So your point is that it would be equally violent and geared towards murder? Because humans never changed since the dawn of time ...
If I were an American citizen, I would absolutely own a gun, too, don't get me wrong. But only because a huge percentage of your citizenry is armed, too ...
I'd wager however that it's more difficult and requires more self-conviction to kill with a knife or your own limbs. Thus people would be just as bad, but the homicide rate would drop. A humble hypothesis of mine.
(I simply didn't want to start a new thread for my gun-related question, but I'm curious what others might have to say.)