….sure, there’s proper gun owners, howEVER that says nothing regarding the absolute terrible fact of negligence with them and innocent children being victims to what they can unfortunately do.
A PERFECT ENOUGH REASON ALONE MY LOATHING SUCH GARBAGE
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Dec 18, 2021
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#603
Baptistpatriot wrote:
If self-defense using firearms is so ridiculous then why are there multiple documented cases of people successfully defending themselves and others against criminals, wild animals, and even stopping active shooters with legally owned and lawfully purchased firearms?
I don't know, there are a few hundred million people in the US. It's not as if every instance of gun use will be bad.
Dec 18, 2021
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#604
Baptistpatriot wrote:
Also @llama47 you mentioned honest reasonable, discussion earlier. Now you seem reasonable and intelligent, so I would be more than happy to discuss the topic with you in PM in an honest and reasonable fashion if you would care to do so?
Sure, but I might stop messaging at some point. Not because I don't like you, but I'll be bored with it for the day. If you bug me on a different day I'll probably write a few messages again. That sort of thing.
Dec 18, 2021
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#605
Soooooo no one knows if five bills is a good deal for a smith and Wesson? With a light and laser attached?
You really have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re clueless.
How about more than a MILLION defensive uses of guns in America EVERY YEAR with 1.6 million being the most?
And these statistics are from Georgetown, not the NRA:
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/oct/5/guns-used-more-for-self-defense-than-crimes/
How about more than a MILLION defensive uses of guns in America EVERY YEAR with 1.6 million being the most?
And these statistics are from Georgetown, not the NRA:
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/oct/5/guns-used-more-for-self-defense-than-crimes/
“The latest research confirms that guns are used more in self-defense than they are in crimes.
According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, there were around 480,000 criminal uses of guns in 2019. Although this number might seem significant when viewed in isolation, existing research has consistently shown that the number of annual defensive gun uses vastly exceeds criminal uses.”
According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, there were around 480,000 criminal uses of guns in 2019. Although this number might seem significant when viewed in isolation, existing research has consistently shown that the number of annual defensive gun uses vastly exceeds criminal uses.”
Baptistpatriot wrote:
Part of the main problem here is ignorance on the part of anti-gun advocates. They know next to nothing about firearms and how they work, and absolutely nothing about the mindset of a law-abiding gun owner. To the anti-gunner a firearm is a fearsome weapon capable of immense destruction and is to be feared and hated. To the responsible gun owner a firearm is a tool to be used at the proper time and for proper and lawful purposes. It's not scary at all. Most responsible gun owners are not a bunch of bloodthirsty gung-ho want to be military types just looking for a chance to shoot someone. They are peaceful and law-abiding citizens just interested in living their lives enjoying the things they like to enjoy, and exercising their rights as defined by the law.
you make a lot of assumptions. the odd thing is that you claim others are ignorant but you write some of the most ignorant junk here. the highlighted part in red shows it. you (and others) falsely think that people don't know violence or the associated statistics based on whether they "know how guns work".
pure bile.
from post #612-"I do know why the Second Amendment is in the Bill of Rights, however, and that is to enable the people to secure their rights as defined in the founding documents against people who threaten those rights. It's that simple, and it doesn't matter if the threat comes from a robber on the street, or their own government. If that offends you then so be it."
i don't think you *know* much of anything on this subject. you think securing rights is done by gunpoint.
garbage.
you think that guns are needed to defend against the government.
more garbage.
peet, your source is a right-wing talking point. note it is an opinion piece. even the citation reads this way:
"estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million"
using that logic, i could write that studies estimate that between one and all of your posts are junk.
Dec 18, 2021
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#610
UnclePeet wrote:
You really have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re clueless
Was this to me?
No,....Peet does that in every thread he's in.
A lot of people don't know how fire works, but they usually stay away from it. Some don't know how a car works, but most will get to where the're going tomorrow.
It’s not a right wing talking point dumb dumb:
“Defenders of gun control frequently argue that defensive gun uses are infrequent. They will often appeal to the federal National Crime Victimization Survey findings, which yields estimates of around 70,000-100,000 annual defensive gun uses. However, these results are at odds with more than 20 surveys on the frequency of defensive gun use. Indeed, the NCVS estimates are the sole outlier.
How could the NCVS yield such a low number? The problem with appealing to the NCVS is that it never actually asks respondents about defensive gun uses. Instead, respondents have the option to volunteer this information if they indicate being the victim of a crime. As such, it is hard to take the NCVS seriously as being a reliable estimate of defensive gun use, given that it doesn’t even field a single question about that topic. All other survey research explicitly designed to measure the frequency of defensive gun uses has shown that defensive gun uses are much more common than criminal uses. The latest research hammers in more nails in the coffin for the rare DGU thesis. The three CDC survey results are particularly telling, as it is from a source that is commonly perceived as anti-gun. “
“Defenders of gun control frequently argue that defensive gun uses are infrequent. They will often appeal to the federal National Crime Victimization Survey findings, which yields estimates of around 70,000-100,000 annual defensive gun uses. However, these results are at odds with more than 20 surveys on the frequency of defensive gun use. Indeed, the NCVS estimates are the sole outlier.
How could the NCVS yield such a low number? The problem with appealing to the NCVS is that it never actually asks respondents about defensive gun uses. Instead, respondents have the option to volunteer this information if they indicate being the victim of a crime. As such, it is hard to take the NCVS seriously as being a reliable estimate of defensive gun use, given that it doesn’t even field a single question about that topic. All other survey research explicitly designed to measure the frequency of defensive gun uses has shown that defensive gun uses are much more common than criminal uses. The latest research hammers in more nails in the coffin for the rare DGU thesis. The three CDC survey results are particularly telling, as it is from a source that is commonly perceived as anti-gun. “
“you think that guns are needed to defend against the government.
more garbage.”
Because you are spoiled rotten and privileged.
You have never known any type of conflict and are too ignorant to learn from others so you sit and pretend as if governments abusing their people is the exception rather than the rule.
more garbage.”
Because you are spoiled rotten and privileged.
You have never known any type of conflict and are too ignorant to learn from others so you sit and pretend as if governments abusing their people is the exception rather than the rule.
"Because you are spoiled rotten and privileged". A man with a Trump shirt telling US we are spoiled rotten & privileged.........that's cute.
Yes wearing a T-shirt is the epitome of privilege.
Not believing no harm can ever come to you in the form of tyrannical government which history has show time and time again happens and is happening in other countries RIGHT NOW.
Not believing no harm can ever come to you in the form of tyrannical government which history has show time and time again happens and is happening in other countries RIGHT NOW.
Dec 19, 2021
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#618
Mr-Mudd wrote:
MEXIMARTINI wrote:
Soooooo no one knows if five bills is a good deal for a smith and Wesson? With a light and laser attached?
$500 might be a good deal. It depends.
Is that S&W used or new? What caliber is it? etc.
Generally, I would say it's an okay deal. (To me, a good deal is paying less than it's worth. How much does an M&P with the laser mounted usually cost?)
it’s a compact . A 9mm. And yea it’s used but wasn’t used much. And ok. Thanks. I’ll prolly get it.
Why is this the least toxic forum
Also @llama47 you mentioned honest reasonable, discussion earlier. Now you seem reasonable and intelligent, so I would be more than happy to discuss the topic with you in PM in an honest and reasonable fashion if you would care to do so?