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Yeah, a 20 gauge sure doesn't kick like a 12. You probably don't want 16 gauge. Ammo is getting harder and harder to find. I tested a single shot 12 gauge with slugs once to see if it was good enough for a friend to hunt with. Now that was some kick!
Although I'm not what I'd call really experienced with shotguns I have fired quite a variety. My extended family (father, brothers, uncles, cousins) used to have a yearly shoot. We'd get a few boxes of clay pigeons and go out to the field behind my grandmother's house. We'd shoot until we ran out of pigeons then go find the missed ones that didn't break when they hit the ground. A good time was always had by all.
I haven't looked at the price of ammo in the last few years. Woah! The last I knew I was paying just over a dollar a round for rifle ammo. The cheapest now looks around $1.50 per round. Decent stuff between $2.00 and $3.00, and the good stuff even higher. That's going to put a real crimp on my recreational shooting. That's a real shame. I wanted to play with my Browning 7mm Rem Mag this summer. Luckily, I should already have enough to get by for a while. But, man! Those prices look rough for the way I shoot.
Why should it be locked? It's not political, it's not religious, and nobody's upset. Except you apparently. Firearms and shooting sports are very popular, not just in the USA, but worldwide. If you don't like the subject just go to another thread. There's plenty of drivel out there to choose from.
Mar 10, 2022
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History-Repeats wrote:
Back to guns like the topic says.
Ammo has been in seriously short supply where I live except for shotguns. This is strange to me since a shotgun is the single best weapon for home defense. That is not just my opinion. Here are just some of the reasons why:
Firing shot (pellets) rather than a single projectile lessens the chance of injury or death to someone outside your home. As powerful as a 12 gauge shotgun is the chance of even 00 buck penetrating several walls and still maintaining killing power is far less than a handgun or rifle bullet of most calibers. (other than ,22) Even a 12Ga. slug will not travel as far as a small caliber handgun round like 9mm.
A double barrel shotgun is the simplest and easiest weapon of its kind to maintain with very few moving parts and even fewer ways it can fail to fire. A pump action provide more rounds and is only a bit more complicated to clean and maintain. A semi-automatic is far more complicated and can have jamming/reloading problems.
A coach gun, which is a short double barrel shotgun, is a perfect size for even a small person to handle. It is still of legal size, which means over 26 inches total length with a barrel at least 18.5 inches from breech to tip. Home defense requires small size since it must able to be used in small spaces like a hallway. A long gun like a hunting rifle or shotgun is simply too big.
Handguns in many places require a special license to own. Additionally they are far more dangerous in unskilled hands than a short shotgun like a coach gun or pump action with a short barrel. It is easier to accidentally shoot yourself with a handgun than almost any long gun since the trigger and dangerous end are so close together. You have to really try to shoot yourself with a long gun. It's that simple.
In my opinion, the safest and surest ammunition for a home defense shotgun is birdshot. This type of shell fires many very small pellets rather than 00 buck which, in 12Ga, fires 9 rather larger ones. The smaller pellets will not penetrate a wall very far and still have the power to kill, if at all unless very close to the shooter. At close range, ten feet or so, it has nearly the same effect as 00 buck.
Many people have been fooled into thinking they need some fancy military looking rifle to use for home protection. The so-called assault rifle like the AR15 is in this category. They are shorter than a sporting rifle and fire semi-automatically (one trigger pull per shot) but the rounds can easily penetrate walls. They provide the ability to fire multiple rounds with larger clips than most hunting rifles or shotguns but do you really want or need to spray death throughout your home? Additionally the ammunition is expensive and hard to find lately.
Finally, unless you are into reloading your own ammunition, which requires a lot of expensive gear not to mention skill, finding and affording lots of AR15 ammo isn't easy.
Too many people have bought up these "assault rifles" for the wrong reason. "They look cool" is a poor reason to arm yourself. If you are serious about home protection and not just looking for some macho weapon or something to sport shoot, consider a coach gun or short pump action shotgun. Good luck, by the way. Most dealers are out of stock on any useful quality weapons.
Suggestion: Stick with 12 gauge. 16 ga is smaller but hard to find and 20ga. will not stop an intruder who may be armed and/or high on drugs.
Any gun is better than no gun when someone is robbing you.
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A 20 or 12 is easy to get and so is the Ammo
Mar 17, 2022
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I have a Mossberg 12 guage pump. Full choke. 9 shell capacity. I call it the GENERAL. Meaning point in the the general direction... I also use it to shoot clay pigeons or skeet.
Apr 14, 2022
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A 12ga shotgun is not the best all around home defense weapon, as they are too big, too heavy, too unwieldy, and the recoil is more than the great majority of homeowners can handle without extensive trigger time learning to control the recoil. In the hands of a highly skilled individual, a 12ga might be the best choice.
The best setup for a pump action shotgun is a lightly textured smooth foregrip with no sharp edges. I also do not recommend a pistol grip, instead I try to get people to understand that it is faster and easier to shoulder a weapon with a standard or straight stock. The pistol style foregrip and stock help untrained people handle the heavy recoil, at the expense of speed. Those options are great for military personnel who only have time for limited training.
Double barrel shotguns look cool, they are a great weapon, but a 12ga double barrel coach gun is a handful for even trained shooters. Double set triggers, single trigger, front/rear, side by side, they all require training, while a single shot break barrel shotgun does not bring with it any of those deficits, and can be reloaded almost as fast as most untrained people can pull both triggers.
A small framed person, or even an elderly woman can easily handle a .38 revolver with only a few training sessions. The revolver will always work. There are no confusing safety’s to manipulate. Revolvers statistically never jam. If a person wants a less than lethal option, the first chamber or two can be loaded with snake shot that will deter even the most determined assailant, when confronted with a face full of shot.
When choosing a weapon for home defense, first consider the people, then the environment.
History-Repeats wrote:
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History-Repeats wrote:
Nice job of editing the second amendment to suit yourself. It is clear. "A well regulated militia..."
That's a pretty key part you left out. I does not say, and you cannot claim it says, any gibroni who wants a gun can have one.
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
”The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed, because a well regulated militia is of the people, by the people, and for the people.
The 2nd Amendment cannot have anything to do with any government entity, because the right belongs to the people in defense of their own sovereignty.
It is you who are attempting to twist the meaning that our founding fathers very clearly penned down.
Only a twit can read "well regulated" and then say it can't be regulated.
I haven't been around much lately and probably won't be in the future. I just stopped by to try clear up a misconception. One of the main reasons the SCOTUS hasn't regulated firearm ownership more is because they read more than the Constitution. The writings of John Jay, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, and others convinces them (so far) that the intent of the 2nd Amendment is to allow any citizen the right to keep and bear arms, regardless of anyone's interpretation of the term "well regulated militia".
edit: I'm not sure the SCOTUS would appreciate your calling them twits. So far they seem to disagree with your definition of "well regulated militia".
I struggled on the song. I'll be honest