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@132J who you talking to?
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Valentino that’s my point
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Lol hiram
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ValentinoE3 wrote:

#115 From an objective standpoint, what benefits have this thread created?

Made me happy.

Exposed that chess.com has a bigot issue.

Exposed said bigots to a counter argument.

Provided resources/videos for the curious or interested.

Showed lgbtq+ people they're not alone here.

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ValentinoE3 wrote:

Did I say anything about "anything lgbtq+ positive"? That positivity is great and greatly needed in society, but all I'm saying is that starting a thread on chess.com for that purpose will often have the opposite effect and bring negativity instead. I simply think there are better ways of bringing to fruition this positivity you, I, and the entire lgbtq+ community seek.

I know you don't mean it in a bad way, but when someone is saying "I'm not ashamed of existing" in public is a bit rude to tell them "you shouldn't do that because people don't like it. There must be a better way."

In any case, I disagree that this is a bad way to do it. The more the topic is brought up in a rational and positive manner, the more people will accept it.

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Starwarsnerd212 wrote:
Ok llama I said she should stop posting these because they ALWAYS end up like this. I said wow another of these becuz they’re like 3 or 4 in the past few days. And I said there is no hope I’m leaving was because the point of arguing is usually to convince some1, and it doesn’t look like y’all are going to be convinced

Always end up like what? Nothing was happening in the topic when you said that, I don't understand.

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HiramHolliday wrote:

You could post this on any social media platform and get the same response. Bit unfair to single out chess.com

Nah. Better moderation on many, lol 😆

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@paper_llama tbh (not being intentionally rude here) I’m just being even more annoyed by each thread created, and less and less more likely to join LGBTQIA
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Starwarsnerd212 wrote:
@Tee I will be nice to anyone as well as I can, unless you advertise constantly that you are. If you don’t, you are completely welcome here!

Your comments in this topic have not been supportive though... you said "wow another one of these" and you told DL "maybe you should stop making these topics" and then said "there is no hope here I'm leaving."

If you have no problem with it being mentioned in a supportive way then why were all your comments negative?

If I were @tee you'd be one of the reasons I wouldn't want to post here.

Mate listen here. If you would read the damn thread then maybe you’d understand. He’s Sauk g that to me. At the time I was upset (still am) about a ridiculous and unnecessary comment comparing the Holocaust to a controversial and much less upsetting and disturbing topic. And still hasn’t apologized. He saw that I was upset and that there was no way DL would apologize or such so he told me to just give up as there is no point as ignorant people will always be ignore. Sometimes. 

Not here to cause problems yet when someone says something about a topic close to me and basically makes it worse is just repulsive and pathetic

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@paper_llama they end up with useless arguing where no one gets convinced
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This has ended basically the same as all the other threads, maybe a little different, but still the same outcome
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Starwarsnerd212 wrote:
@paper_llama they end up with useless arguing where no one gets convinced

The topic isn't an argument. It's to just say "I exist and I'm not ashamed of it" and when that happens enough, eventually there's no more reason to say it, because people stop caring. It becomes "oh yeah, some humans are LGBT, whatever, I don't care."

That's how I see topics like this and pride month in general.

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Bro ur arguing rn
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132J wrote:
paper_llama wrote:
Starwarsnerd212 wrote:
@Tee I will be nice to anyone as well as I can, unless you advertise constantly that you are. If you don’t, you are completely welcome here!

Your comments in this topic have not been supportive though... you said "wow another one of these" and you told DL "maybe you should stop making these topics" and then said "there is no hope here I'm leaving."

If you have no problem with it being mentioned in a supportive way then why were all your comments negative?

If I were @tee you'd be one of the reasons I wouldn't want to post here.

Mate listen here. If you would read the damn thread then maybe you’d understand. He’s Sauk g that to me. At the time I was upset (still am) about a ridiculous and unnecessary comment comparing the Holocaust to a controversial and much less upsetting and disturbing topic. And still hasn’t apologized. He saw that I was upset and that there was no way DL would apologize or such so he told me to just give up as there is no point as ignorant people will always be ignore. Sometimes.

Not here to cause problems yet when someone says something about a topic close to me and basically makes it worse is just repulsive and pathetic

Eh ok.

If I wanted to argue with DL I wouldn't demand an apology. I'd acknowledge the point and/or POV they were trying to make, and then using that as a context, explain why I disagree.

I didn't read your post, but for example I might say something like "while bigotry and hate exist in both circumstances, it's in bad taste and lazy to compare some of the worst atrocities in history to those who disagree with your position" and then DL might say "I'm not calling my opponents nazis, I'm highlighting how all humans have the capacity for irrational hate, and that when unchecked it can lead to very bad things"

blah blah blah

That's how a rational conversation might go. Not typing in all caps (which I noticed you doing) and demanding apologies (lol).

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DelightfulLiberty wrote:
ValentinoE3 wrote:

#115 From an objective standpoint, what benefits have this thread created?

Made me happy.

Exposed that chess.com has a bigot issue.

Exposed said bigots to a counter argument.

Provided resources/videos for the curious or interested.

Showed lgbtq+ people they're not alone here.

A counter argument you started? If you didn’t say a racist and unbelievably hateful statement about the Holocaust, there would be no counter argument. I should get some popcorn.

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132J wrote:
paper_llama wrote:
Starwarsnerd212 wrote:
@Tee I will be nice to anyone as well as I can, unless you advertise constantly that you are. If you don’t, you are completely welcome here!

Your comments in this topic have not been supportive though... you said "wow another one of these" and you told DL "maybe you should stop making these topics" and then said "there is no hope here I'm leaving."

If you have no problem with it being mentioned in a supportive way then why were all your comments negative?

If I were @tee you'd be one of the reasons I wouldn't want to post here.

Mate listen here. If you would read the damn thread then maybe you’d understand. He’s Sauk g that to me. At the time I was upset (still am) about a ridiculous and unnecessary comment comparing the Holocaust to a controversial and much less upsetting and disturbing topic. And still hasn’t apologized. He saw that I was upset and that there was no way DL would apologize or such so he told me to just give up as there is no point as ignorant people will always be ignore. Sometimes.

Not here to cause problems yet when someone says something about a topic close to me and basically makes it worse is just repulsive and pathetic

Eh ok.

If I wanted to argue with DL I wouldn't demand an apology. I'd acknowledge the point and/or POV they were trying to make, and then using that as a context, explain why I disagree.

I didn't read your post, but for example I might say something like "while bigotry and hate exist in both circumstances, it's in bad taste and lazy to compare some of the worst atrocities in history to those who disagree with your position" and then DL might say "I'm not calling my opponents nazis, I'm highlighting how all humans have the capacity for irrational hate, and that when unchecked it can lead to very bad things"

blah blah blah

That's how a rational conversation might go. Not typing in all caps (which I noticed you doing) and demanding apologies (lol).

Do you have family that was gassed at Belzec? If you don’t, then you have no right to say how I feel is irrational.

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Starwarsnerd212 wrote:
Bro ur arguing rn

Nah, there's nuance to the difference between, for example, arguments and discussions. Arguments imply emotions and rhetoric. I could type a lot of blah blah blah trying to explain it, but you're like, 12 years old, so there's no point (now I'm arguing wink.png)

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132J wrote:

Do you have family that was gassed at Belzec? If you don’t, then you have no right to say how I feel is irrational.

"I'm not responsible for the quality of my arguments because my emotions overwhelm me"

Is the definition of irrational.

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paper_llama wrote:
132J wrote:
paper_llama wrote:
Starwarsnerd212 wrote:
@Tee I will be nice to anyone as well as I can, unless you advertise constantly that you are. If you don’t, you are completely welcome here!

Your comments in this topic have not been supportive though... you said "wow another one of these" and you told DL "maybe you should stop making these topics" and then said "there is no hope here I'm leaving."

If you have no problem with it being mentioned in a supportive way then why were all your comments negative?

If I were @tee you'd be one of the reasons I wouldn't want to post here.

Mate listen here. If you would read the damn thread then maybe you’d understand. He’s Sauk g that to me. At the time I was upset (still am) about a ridiculous and unnecessary comment comparing the Holocaust to a controversial and much less upsetting and disturbing topic. And still hasn’t apologized. He saw that I was upset and that there was no way DL would apologize or such so he told me to just give up as there is no point as ignorant people will always be ignore. Sometimes.

Not here to cause problems yet when someone says something about a topic close to me and basically makes it worse is just repulsive and pathetic

Eh ok.

If I wanted to argue with DL I wouldn't demand an apology. I'd acknowledge the point and/or POV they were trying to make, and then using that as a context, explain why I disagree.

I didn't read your post, but for example I might say something like "while bigotry and hate exist in both circumstances, it's in bad taste and lazy to compare some of the worst atrocities in history to those who disagree with your position" and then DL might say "I'm not calling my opponents nazis, I'm highlighting how all humans have the capacity for irrational hate, and that when unchecked it can lead to very bad things"

blah blah blah

That's how a rational conversation might go. Not typing in all caps (which I noticed you doing) and demanding apologies (lol).

Try arguing with ignorant people. When you come back, crawling on the floor bawling your eyes out, then tell me how ridiculous I am. And also, to state again what I said: Do you have family that was gassed at Belzec Death Camp? I think not… so please don’t try to say how I need to be more rational. Damn, no wonder I was inactive for months. People like this just make me want to leave Chess. Com. But I won’t because I will never succumb to ignorant people.

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And I didn't say you don't have a good reason for how you feel... I said your resulting argumentation was poor.

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