If the universe requires a creator then the creator should require a creator = religion is made-up

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ilikecapablanca
FRENCHBASHER wrote:

no PT on threads who is that marco? a genius ??

marcomarco13 was a self professed 64 y/o troll expert. French, like you. Also used a million exclaimation marks when he was mad, like this!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ALSO LIKED USING CAPS LOCK!!!

FRENCHBASHER
ZigyStardust a écrit :
ZigyStardust wrote:

^ omg u guys are so illeterate. egg n chicken are 2 different things.

if i eat them both they come out in the morning in the form of organic fertiliser.

^ if you guys are gonna quote me dont delete part of my post. because you are all made of fertilisers.

yes I cook scramble eggs for instance , but I have to ask Gordon Ramsay his recipe for scramble chicken.

ilikecapablanca

@StarryNightDust

You are confusing concepts with objects. No one has ownership of concepts.

FRENCHBASHER

no pt no naming no shaming Dr No.

btw btw Marco troll expert was mad, I'm not, this is a serious thread here. Starting with Aristoteles, ending with TROUTFISH 7.0. Jut saying

ilikecapablanca
FRENCHBASHER wrote:
ZigyStardust a écrit :
ZigyStardust wrote:

^ omg u guys are so illeterate. egg n chicken are 2 different things.

if i eat them both they come out in the morning in the form of organic fertiliser.

^ if you guys are gonna quote me dont delete part of my post. because you are all made of fertilisers.

yes I cook scramble eggs for instance , but I have to ask Gordon Ramsay his recipe for scramble chicken.

Hee hee!

ilikecapablanca
FRENCHBASHER wrote:

no pt no naming no shaming Dr No.

btw btw Marco troll expert was mad, I'm not, this is a serious thread here. Starting with Aristoteles, ending with TROUTFISH 7.0. Jut saying

Welcome back!

ilikecapablanca

@PresidentZiggy

True, but irrelevant to the debate.

Concepts are within the confines of your brain. If they come up in the confines of someone else's at some point, that is irrelevant. You have a concept, and it is entirely your own, because you (hopefully) invented it on your own.

If you steal someone else's concept, it isn't. 

FRENCHBASHER
ilikecapablanca a écrit :

@PresidentZiggy

True, but irrelevant to the debate.

Concepts are within the confines of your brain. If they come up in the confines of someone else's at some point, that is irrelevant. You have a concept, and it is entirely your own, because you (hopefully) invented it on your own.

If you steal someone else's concept, it isn't. 

I do agree a concept is neither right nor wrong it's operationnal (Herbert Marcuse One dimensional man).

For instance a concept car is right in USA we drive right, is left in UK, they drive left. In both cases the concept car rolls, is operationnal. It helps us to avoid accidents.

ilikecapablanca

@Peter Pan

Hmm... You are rubbing an imaginary "best-selling" software in my face? 

 

2travel
ilikecapablanca wrote:
2travel wrote:

Where does, "God does not exist" thoughts come from? 

Critical minds that are not indoctrinated.

What causes such thoughts in a mind? What causes such thoughts in a mind?

ilikecapablanca

@Ziggy

I know.

I know.

Okay.

My nose is well and truly polished from your attempts.

Goodbye, I've got things to do.  Cool

FRENCHBASHER

lol good sundya in green Erin I lik like all sailors in country.Laughing

With Guiness coaching it's better, isn't it Esq. Sir ??

The_Ghostess_Lola

Let those without plonk go "plunk" off the plank....

(....a Ghost Pirate's maxim) 

FRENCHBASHER

lol, lola

with Elvis Presley we have "tomorrow never comes" too, which is directly connected with the topic, you may notice, hop!

FRENCHBASHER

lol de lol friend

TheGreatOogieBoogie
Americu wrote:

If the " Big Bang " is true, and if the existence of God is true.......

Either God has one mother of a laboratory, or the " Big Bang " was a " natural " event and God waited for everything to cool down a bit and then did his thing with his creative juices.

If " God " exists, he/she/it is the last word in science nerd...

...I mean, to " create" the Strong and Weak Nuclear Forces ? Gravity ? Electro-Magnetic Force ? Dark Energy ? Sentience ?  Biology ?

Like I say ..." God " sure knows " Science "

He sure does!  He was the one who wrote the laws.  Such a mind is incomprehensible and his planning ability and precision from the smallest scale and how it influences the biggest over billions of years is too incredible for words.  

We can ascertain from Genesis/B'reshit that Adonai our god, ruler of the universe has indeed created it himself.  If there is no God then who made us holy with his mitzvot?  

 

"Science deniers always know zero about the science they don't like. And they go out of their way to make sure they never do know anything. Their problem is incurable. If people have zero curiosity about the world there is nothing that can be done for them. They will waste the rest of their lives being completely wrong about everything.

Education is a wonderful thing but for millions of Americans education hurts their brains."

 

While I agree that evolution is true you yourself are denying scientific fact by denying God.  You want proof, so here it is: look out the window, see anything alive, like a tree or pigeon?  I'd like to see you make one, or a planet perfectly tuned for life like Earth, or a perfectly ordered, harmonious universe, writing the code for Newtonian mechanics and Relativity and their relation to one another to get it just right.  Almost perfect doesn't cut it, Venus for example is about Earth's size, has a tilt, and magnetosphere yet due to being outside the habitable zone and having too much greenhouse gasses amino acids never had the chance to develop and evolve into life whereas Mars, even less perfect but people still have pipedreams of terraforming it, is far too dry, cold, low gravity and no magnetosphere means it's at the mercy of radiation.  Even if you put a copy of Earth in its place it'd still be far too cold for life to develop, and Earth has water and oxygen obviously.  Yet God knew how to fine tune and juggle so many variables very cleanly.  When you do a job right it's like no one notices because it's expected.  A surgeon performing a successful surgery is an every day thing, but a minor mistake could lead to him being sued for malpractice.  Likewise in Chess we leave so many correct moves uncommented on, as it is mistakes that grab out attention.  God did his job perfectly and people take him for granted.  


"First it is easier and logical that God created the universe and earth and everything. God or a creator of course has supernatural powers, how can He created without it. Duh!  

Darwin himself was a devout Anglican and even considered attending Oxford for a theological degree, but decided on biology instead.  God and evolution are compatible.  

 

Second: His creation is a marvel, let take a bird, its wings is so complicated, every bones and feathers its meant for flight, a wing of a insect is also very complicated, the ladybug's wings a great marvel or a bee's wings, its body is too big for his wings but it is able to fly, the human hand is a marvel, no animal possess it or the human eye is so complex and you have to everything working right to have sight; there many more in this world to marvel God's creation, it point to a supernatural being that creates wonderful things. A single cell should be a enough to prove God existence and his supernatural power.  God is God and He has supernatural power other wise He is not God. So simple!"


I agree 99% (human vision isn't perfect as we're trichromats and colorblind compared to five coned pigeons and parrots and seeing those extra colors would be great and UV being a shorter wavelength would allow us to see more detail...though maybe too much so where everyone looks uglier as pores would become more visible and pronounced) and yes God's creation is something to truly marvel at and the sign of an incredible intelligence, but why can't he use evolution to achieve that aim?  Much of the Bible is allegory meant to teach people moral lessons combined with historical narratives, like Abraham's story and his rivalry with Nimrod, the Exodus, and King David's ascent.  

The_Ghostess_Lola

Interesting that I feel I have many an enemy here on chess.com. Yet they become frenenies when we go to the spirit world. And I luv that....(Yuri).

Colin20G
TheGreatOogieBoogie wrote:

  you yourself are denying scientific fact by denying God.  You want proof, so here it is: look out the window, see anything alive, like a tree or pigeon?  I'd like to see you make one, or a planet perfectly tuned for life like Earth, or a perfectly ordered, blablabla TLTR

This doesn't prove anything. What does "perfectly ordered" means? this is not even a scientific word. We never say that for instance, that an electron or a planet orbit are perfect. we just see that they exist. "perfection" is an aesthetic concept, not  scientific one. It just means that you enjoy to perceive the thing.

Also once again, we see that we can take that silly argument  "X exists and is so perfect that it must  necessary have been created by  god", with X being any object, and plug god into it to produce a sentence "god exists and is so perfect that it must necessary have been created by a god ", which is blatantly preposterous.

Example with your claim:
look out the window, see god being here. I'd like to see you make one, or something perfecly tuned like a god.then god must be created by a god. QED
drpsholder
ZigyStardust wrote:

ok guys, i did u a favour. is is too difficult to understand this?

"The Creation and the Creator are different things. Therefore, the Creator also requires a creator reasoning is not logical"

ok to put it more simpler for u kids to understand:

God doesnt need another God to create him. Creators dont need creators. But plz dont try to fool yourself by saying u also create things, u dont!

But you guys say that something cannot come into existence from nothing............therefore if your god exists, then something MUST have created him/her.

drpsholder
ZigyStardust wrote:

@capablanca

you didnt create a table, you just put pieces together.

anyway its a good example, because matter can neither be created nor destroyed.

And putting those pieces together...........wait for it, wait for it...........created a table!!!!  LMAO!

this is why its entertaining to speak to a religious people.  They will do everything possible to keep from admitting what you said is correct. EVERYTHING!

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