If the universe requires a creator then the creator should require a creator = religion is made-up

bgjettguitar wrote:   Darwin stated he was a theist, that he believed in God. Read below: Here’s the excerpt from p.92-93 of Charles Darwin’s autobiography: "Another source of conviction in the existence of God, connected with the reason and not with the feelings, impresses me as having much more weight. This follows from the extreme difficulty or rather impossibility of conceiving this immense and wonderful universe, including man with his capacity of looking far backwards and far into futurity, as the result of blind chance or necessity. When thus reflecting I feel compelled to look to a First Cause having an intelligent mind in some degree analogous to that of man; and I deserve to be called a Theist." -Charles Darwin  

Very nicely written and makes a lot sense. I suggest alex-rodriguez and drpshoplder read this and all of what bgjettguitar wrote, you might learn something. alex and drp, even Darwin believe in a God.

For every source of energy,,,in an atom, or a nucleus, protonk, photon...whatever, it takes light to make it grow and produce more energy.

Where did the light come from? light produces life. ....where did it come from? How can light even exist?  It seems to be supernatural.  

The sun produces our light to sustain us, when that light goes out, we are gone......   how did the sun just all of a sudden come into existance, without anything to produce that light? 

The Bible says that God is light and no variableness or shadow of turning.

Einstein said that light remains constant, the same no matter what.

Einstein had something there.

It doesn't matter...........my point was to see if you could prove me wrong. I wonder why you didn't even try?

Depended on when you asked him. Before his theory of evolution, he may have, but most likely after his theory was complete.........he didn't.

But no matter.

for the sake of argument, lets say he did. Doesn't that prove God exists? No.  Does that prove evolution is wrong? NO.

so, what is it that we are suppose to learn. You see? You guys are not too bright and when you think you have us...........you really don't. Its kind of funny to watch that happen.

Actually, its the reason I come here. If you guys changed your mind and believed in evolution, then I would leave. This forum would get boring. But when you CANT believe in evolution and must make up every excuse(no matter how silly it sounds) to keep from believing.........that's the entertainment Im after! LOL

yes, yes, it does seem to be supernatural............but yet we have never found anything to be supernatural.

Even things that we used to think we supernatural(lightning, child birth, harvests) actually turned out to be natural.

So, I base my beliefs on evidence..........because basing them on no evidence is stupid and that is called "taking things on faith".

Why does it matter if we know the answers to the questions or not?  What does it mean if we don't know the answer?

Are you inserting your god into things that are unknown?  Are you playing "god of the gaps".

So anything unknown is therefore attributed to god.

We don't know where the sun came from..........therefore God?

We don't know where other universes come from.......therefore God?

Because if that is what you are doing, its wrong. You cannot insert your god for things that are unknown and claim you know them.

I can insert my God, because I know him, and his word..........

and so what do you know.......you get your knowledge from fallible man?

@ a-rod ------> You err, I embrace science, it is part of our "con-science",,,,conscience or conscienceness..........to be questioning is alll part of it, and it is good to question, science ends where logic picks up, and with logic we assert that there has to be an intelligent designer, for the design.........every house has a builder, and the creation has a Creator.

And @ dipster--------> exactly, that is why you will never get it, it comes by faith, and reasoning and logic, and conscienceness of self, are you 'unconscience'?  Because you surely seem to be!

Well if you inserted yor god into determining how the harvests will be this year instead of doing real science..........you can see why we don't do rain dances anymore right???

We don't pray to the gods or provide sacrifices to them because we learned that harnests are not dependent upon god.

So if you inserted your god, you would have never learned that rain, good soil, and light are what's needed.

And about knowledge. First, most of us live our lives based on beliefs, not what we know.......for some of the things you know to be true might actually be false.

So, we live our lives based on beliefs. And yes, I get my beliefs from fallible man and there is nothing wrong with this...........so long as I change them when new evidence disproves my currently held belief. this is called learning.

If you never change your beliefs.......how can you ever learn?

Doesn't really matter , flow.......

something created the egg   lololol

what was it, exactly?

And faith is a belief in something that has no evidence.  its like believing your car ran out of gas because an alien swooped down from Alienville, siphoned all your gas out, then teleported back to his homeland.

its just absurd to believe in things without evidence.........because then you should believe in everything that has no evidence.  Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster, aliens, ghosts, etc. etc.

Smart people will base their beliefs on evidence, whereas gullible people will believe anything they are told to believe.......not because its true, but just because they are told to do so or else get punished in eternal hell.

Nope, I've said nothing of the sort. I do not believe gods exist, but they might.........I do not know. (not saying your comment was about me, but I always find it necessary to correct someone when they claim that we think that god cannot exist.)

I, therefore, am an agnostic atheist.

@ dipster

That is why it is called faith, it doesn't have to have evidence, that is the only way we can come to him, otherwise, you shut your own self out from him, and that is just what you do, and the worst part of it all, is that you are leading others the wrong way, too.

This forum is getting so many posts(I don't have the time to read them all.) I think I'll report this thread to Erik.

@ a-rod, looks like you have mind rot as you have to quote another person to come up with an answer, lololol

Panzer, dont do that, we are just having a bit of fun here, please?